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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGalbraith
    Close, but no cigar: The first video from "before Bill Wallace" is from 1962, before the divisions in TKD styles are what they are now. The chicken and egg question is a moot point for me, it was all one big generation of martial arts failure summarized in Bruce Lee's theory of the "intercepting fist," proven in the ring by Bill Wallace, and is carried on primarily in point fighting but also to some degree in the TKD community.
    Last post on this unless another thread is started.
    You are the one who said that BW influenced TKD, so the "chicken/egg" thing isnt a moot point. Its the original point you made.
    The style of TKD practiced dictates the style of sparring that is done in tournaments, so the videos you post need to be from one style.
    Then link BW involvement in said style. If you posted a vid before BW was big of ??? TKD sparring, then posted a link of BW training with that styles leaders, then posted a vid of the sparring after BW influence and it showed a significant difference, you may have a point, yet you havent.

    And my main point here isn't about lineage or the origins of Bill Wallace's technique or the origins of Tae Kwon Do. My main point here is that Wallace's technique (regardless of it's origins or weather anyone in TKD ever trained with Wallace,) is now found ONLY in TKD as a full contact technique, so that now at least certain styles of TKD are the place to go to learn Wallace's really horrible kicking system:
    Maybe because TKD is primarily a kicking art and his point techniques are better suited to that?
    Maybe the influence of MT has replaced the BW style of KB. Things change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman34
    The style of TKD practiced dictates the style of sparring that is done in tournaments, so the videos you post need to be from one style.


    Maybe because TKD is primarily a kicking art and his point techniques are better suited to that?
    Maybe the influence of MT has replaced the BW style of KB. Things change.

    Alright, give me a list of TKD styles from 1962 (before the Wallace/Bruce Lee/Point-Fighting movement could have influenced TKD) to choose from. Oh, wait, TKD was just formally organizing back then, so that ALL TKD back then would be an appropriate example to ANY style now, because ALL the current styles of TKD descended from the one 1962 TKD.

    If TKD is such a great kicking art, were are the leg kicks? That's my other point. If you want to learn how to fight with Kicks, TKD is the last place to go, because the most important kick is the leg kick, which TKD does not have. If all TKD did have leg kicks, no TKD would have Wallace technique as a core strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    Wrong.


    Do you realize how this actually screws up the point you are trying to make?

    Quote half a sentence and declare it wrong, that's really helpfuln't.

    Please list full contact competitions or systems (practiced by over 100 people) where Wallace's kicking strategy thrives outside of TKD:

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGalbraith
    Quote half a sentence and declare it wrong, that's really helpfuln't.

    Please list full contact competitions or systems (practiced by over 100 people) where Wallace's kicking strategy thrives outside of TKD:

    1)_____________

    2)_____________

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    Post more than one "hard to find video" that proves your point.

    That is why I posted half your quote. You are saying OMG look what Bill Wallace did to TKD. Then you search and find ONE video that proves your point.


    You have yet to prove this is from his system. One website and one "hard to find" video do not prove your point.
    Sorry fail.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jrdwroWRo4

    Looks like Bill Wallace to me...
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    Looks like malformed video id url to me.
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    DOH!!!!
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    That ****'s gotta hurt.
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    How come those kids are not taught to keep their hands up? That's fucking insane!

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