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  1. BFGalbraith is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Errant108
    Wallace had nothing to do with Sport TKD, his style looks nothing sport TKD, & multiple flamingo kicks are not a recommended tactic in sport TKD.
    This is the kind of technique I was referring to that you don't really see in striking systems unless they've been exposed to the worst of Okinawan martial arts:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJINTL2dGRA

    Also, Kyokushinkai (good Okinawan martial arts) existed back then (in fact I think Oyama recommended it by name in English version of "What is Karate?") so none of these guys have an excuse for sparring without leg kicks.

    Wallace's "super foot" strategy has justified any-marital-arts-with-any-kicks-at-all in the USA, and I very seriously doubt TKD would be as popular as it is now if it weren't for Wallace and his above-the-belt American kick boxing movement.

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    Bruce Lee > Ali
    I have recently been forced to admit that Bruce Lee may have made a valuable contribution to the martial arts, since the training community that formed around him has evolved into things like Straight Blast Gyms and http://www.martialartstrainingacademy.com/ . However I think it's extremely far fetched to assume someone with a very well established fight record like Ali would lose against someone with a pretty small verifiable fight card like Lee.

    Bruce Lee's whole "way of the intercepting fist" strategy (speaking of related "superfoot" strategies and bad influences on USA martial arts trends) would not have worked well against a fighter that could take a lot of punishment and fight in the inside (better that Lee himself who's inside game amounted rape-prevention tricks and one-inch punches.) Experience wise of course Lee is massively outclassed by Ali. Ali was a verifiable master of the western martial art of Boxing, Lee was not a verifiable martial arts master of anything at all - and to say he was comparable to Ali I think detracts from the contributions Lee did actually make to the martial arts community.
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    1) Adjust your Sarcasmometer.

    2) Wallace had absolutely nothing to do with popularizing Sport TKD in America. NOTHING. Sport TKD in America would be just as popular if he & the entire ruleset he fought under never existed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Errant108
    1) Adjust your Sarcasmometer.

    2) Wallace had absolutely nothing to do with popularizing Sport TKD in America. NOTHING. Sport TKD in America would be just as popular if he & the entire ruleset he fought under never existed.
    1) TKD's whole "kicks are better than other techniques" focus is inherently "way of the intercepting fist", and 90% of the time anyone even hinting TKD does not totally suck really believes Bruce Lee was a highly accomplished fighter.

    2) Karate without leg kicks begets Karate without leg kicks, and the most popular name for this disappointing trend is TKD. Who do you suppose buys Wallace's books? Hint: it's not kickboxers or MMA guys:
    http://www.cwtkdhq.cmasdirect.com/it...roductId=55646
    TKD instructors have always been able to say "see, kicks are the best, even these stupid kicks I am teaching right now, because Bill Wallace used them and he was a kickboxing champion." Bill Wallace is fight-card-evidence that crappy-karate-kicking (TKD included, and TKD being the most common form of crappy karate) that crappy little lead-leg snap kicks constitute a comprehensive fighting sport or self-defense system.

    So I have offered here at least one way in which Wallace has promoted TKD, by marketing his theories as promotional material for instructors who like to say Kicks > all other techniques.

    Give me an example of Wallace distancing himself from the TKD community.
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    You said Sport TKD.

    Sport TKD is Olympic Taegwondo.

    Sport TKD had an extremely small following in the US prior to the 88 Olympics, after which it exploded. The majority of Olympics stylists wouldn't even have a clue who Wallace is, but would be able to tell you who fighters like Herb Perez or Kay Poe are, people who had a legitimate impact on the sport TKD community.

    Wallace, unable to kick with both legs, and extremely immobile with his footwork, would get his ass handed to him under Olympic rules. Fighters like him never make get weeded out almost immediately at State level competitions, & never make it to Regionals, much less Nationals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGalbraith
    1) TKD's whole "kicks are better than other techniques" focus is inherently "way of the intercepting fist", and 90% of the time anyone even hinting TKD does not totally suck really believes Bruce Lee was a highly accomplished fighter.

    2) Karate without leg kicks begets Karate without leg kicks, and the most popular name for this disappointing trend is TKD. Who do you suppose buys Wallace's books? Hint: it's not kickboxers or MMA guys:
    http://www.cwtkdhq.cmasdirect.com/it...roductId=55646
    TKD instructors have always been able to say "see, kicks are the best, even these stupid kicks I am teaching right now, because Bill Wallace used them and he was a kickboxing champion." Bill Wallace is fight-card-evidence that crappy-karate-kicking (TKD included, and TKD being the most common form of crappy karate) that crappy little lead-leg snap kicks constitute a comprehensive fighting sport or self-defense system.

    So I have offered here at least one way in which Wallace has promoted TKD, by marketing his theories as promotional material for instructors who like to say Kicks > all other techniques.

    Give me an example of Wallace distancing himself from the TKD community.
    Why? All you did was show that a TKD guy sells his book.

    Generalize much?
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    It's sad coming from a martial artist like Bill Wallace. It seems like he's bitter towards MMA and it's acomplishments. LIke it or now MMA is here to stay.
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    bill wallace was a bullshit artist then and is a bullshit artist now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGalbraith
    1) TKD's whole "kicks are better than other techniques" focus is inherently "way of the intercepting fist", and 90% of the time anyone even hinting TKD does not totally suck really believes Bruce Lee was a highly accomplished fighter.
    TKD does not totally suck.

    I will be at the NY TD Memorial Day weekend. Feel free to stop by and I will show you.

    Quote Originally Posted by BFGalbraith
    So I have offered here at least one way in which Wallace has promoted TKD, by marketing his theories as promotional material for instructors who like to say Kicks > all other techniques.

    Give me an example of Wallace distancing himself from the TKD community.
    Tai Chi is for old people. They practice in parks and try to recruit other old people to join them.
    Tai Chi is marketed as good low impact excercise by the AARP.
    They (the Tai Chi community) havent tried to distance themselves from old people, therefore, I am correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KODIBOY
    It's sad coming from a martial artist like Bill Wallace. It seems like he's bitter towards MMA and it's acomplishments. LIke it or now MMA is here to stay.
    Did you come up with this revelation all on your own?

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