6/07/2008 1:57pm, #571Originally Posted by bemusedThe real deal. No muss, no fuss, just truth
6/08/2008 3:15pm, #572
I'm still concerned when TYK lies to the public because those who believe what she says about herself can get lured in and hurt. Kathy and AG especially prove that even the most street-smart people are not immune to this. That's why this thread, especially part 1, is so important.
I can understand folks wanting to take a break from posting, though, or even to stop posting. It can be emotionally exhausting. Besides, what has already been posted has exposed most of TYK's major cruelties and crimes--I hope.
6/10/2008 9:28pm, #573
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Do you know how to catch wild pigs?'
'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it, and begin to come every day to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again, and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that, and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, and you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.
Suddenly, the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
COL'ERS THINK ABOUT IT!
6/10/2008 10:32pm, #574
Originally Posted by bemused
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6/19/2008 11:43am, #575
I googled "martial arts cult" just to see what I would get. Most of the hits described martial arts cults in general or one in particular, Chung Moo Doe, led by John C. Kim. Check it out.
Steven Hassan's cult website has a description written by a former member:
YouTube has these news clips:
YouTube - Cult and the Con
There are obvious similarities to TYK. I had to laugh when he said, "I have a hard time to speak English." He plays the same game, including pretending to be an ignorant foreigner.
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6/19/2008 12:01pm, #576
Boy Bemused...that all sounded so familar. I know the IRS asked me about all the cash that I had given to her. I'm sure many others have informed them too. The healing part...actually most all of it, reminded me of her. Maybe she modeled after him? Didn't it say 1983? Looks like there will be lots of questions to answer. :)The real deal. No muss, no fuss, just truth
6/20/2008 9:28am, #577
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The similarities between these two cults are astonishing. There is a book titled "Herding the Moo" that goes into detail of life in the cult. For example: driving in a line and not allowing any other cars to break the "energy chain", having ridiculous parties/classes at the leaders mansion and even clapping and shouting "Chung Moo!" at the end of the martial arts classes. The book can be purchased through Amazon and excerpts are available online. Fascinating reading for any exCOL'ers.
6/20/2008 11:28am, #578
Welcome, WhiteBear. Many of the regular posters on this thread are off for the summer, so it's rather quiet right now. But a few of us are here to answer questions, and we would be interested in hearing about your experiences as well.
I saw your post in the newbie thread, and to answer your question, there are many threads here on martial arts cults. Here's one I discovered just the other day:
Fang Shen Do: Tales From the Inner Circle - No BS Martial Arts
It sounds like a more physically brutal group than COL typically was.
6/20/2008 1:25pm, #579
Yes we had to drive in a line.....Can't break that energy gap. Also do it in ranking order. We had to chant tae yun tae yun all the while looking and meditating in front of a big picture of her or just in a group setting.. You chant tae yun tae yun so much till it is burnt into your mind and soul. I think that is the purpose. I may check that book out.
Welcome to the board whitebear.The real deal. No muss, no fuss, just truth
6/21/2008 8:49am, #580
It seems there are many martial arts cults, and their modus operandi is so similar there must be a playbook.
Innocent persons enter into these questionable dojos and dojangs with both ignorance of the art and of the devious means by which they become victmized by unsavory types.
As I read the news, starting with the atrocities in Zimbabwe, continuing on with the suppression in Myanmar, the drug wars in Mexico, the kidnappings in Colombia, Darfur, Sudan, etc., I begin to wonder whether "evil" will triumph over "good". Then I have to question the definition of "good" - is it the Western Judaeo-Christian concept of the nuclear family, where anyone or anything that falls outside those narrow parameters is a pariah, whether for their religious beliefs, their sexual orientation, or their political bent. Who ultimately are the "terrorists" ? Who the hell are we to go into Nigeria and exploit their oil resources without benefiting their people? Why too did we kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraquis based on concocted evidence? Who is to say our way of life is how everyone should live?
Perhaps the manifold natural disasters we now are experiencing are Nature's way of taking back control. I believe that we have brought this all upon ourselves, starting with not regulating our population growth, which now has the ripple effect of straining our natural resources, our food supply, and our comfortable way of life. Density of population leads to both mental and physical stress, and we seek ways to alleviate that and find new avenues of pleasure.
Cults have been around since the dawn of civilization. They are becoming more sophisticated with the help of mind bending techniques. The Korean war added the term "brainwash" to our lexicon, and the practices of sensory deprivation, isolation, and reprogramming began to spread. Whether from early childhood trauma, strict religious upbringings, or just an individual's personality, there will always victims from which self-seeking, greedy, and uncaring persons will exploit, enslave, and impoverish others in order to sit upon an uneasy throne.
So it seems that to continue, the disciples must be well trained in their master's style. In this sense, even Christianity is predicated upon the master and his disciples. I would like to believe that Jesus was a good man, but over time, the zealots made a mess of Christianity, what with the Inquisition and destruction of native civilizations and forced conversions. This too happened with Islam - those that did not convert were summarily killed.
So we are all complicit and if I add a note of gloom to this forum, I apologize. Just my humble two cents.