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     Style: Hillbilly Judo

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    You can still grab someone to throw the knee. But there isn't any fighting from the clinch or "holding." This is basically true of most other boxing or kickboxing rulesets but MT. Which is probably the main reason why it's the preferred MMA kickboxing style. I'm sure we could debate that into the night...

    As far as the kicks go, more often than not you'll see a hybrid of the stereotypical "Thai Kick" and the stereotypical "Krotty Kick." Watch the clip and you'll see a lot of what amounts to swing/hip rotation+chambering. Serves as a bit of a compromise between the faster, weaker TKD/Krotty type kick and the more powerful, but fully committed Thai kick. Your mileage may vary. I don't know which is better. It's up to you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTnOBmybq38
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    I see how it works. I'm still not happy about the no clinch thing though- I knew about the no head strikes, but I don't know if I have the flexability to knee someone standing up in the head (I may have to enter the under 12 division for that)
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     Style: Koryu Budo, Shooto

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenBeakFist
    You can still grab someone to throw the knee. But there isn't any fighting from the clinch or "holding." This is basically true of most other boxing or kickboxing rulesets but MT. Which is probably the main reason why it's the preferred MMA kickboxing style. I'm sure we could debate that into the night...

    As far as the kicks go, more often than not you'll see a hybrid of the stereotypical "Thai Kick" and the stereotypical "Krotty Kick." Watch the clip and you'll see a lot of what amounts to swing/hip rotation+chambering. Serves as a bit of a compromise between the faster, weaker TKD/Krotty type kick and the more powerful, but fully committed Thai kick. Your mileage may vary. I don't know which is better. It's up to you. w

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTnOBmybq38
    I'm assuming that the 'harshest karate' that you list isn't goju-ru?

    Frankly I guess it boils down to whether the muay thai ( http://www.muaythai.jp/ ) or kyokushin place (http://www.kyokushinkaikan.org/en/) turns out to be better. Then again there is always MMA (http://www.bluedog-gym.com/index.php). I'm so confused :cry:
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     Style: Hillbilly Judo

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightowl
    I'm assuming that the 'harshest karate' that you list isn't goju-ru?

    Frankly I guess it boils down to whether the muay thai ( http://www.muaythai.jp/ ) or kyokushin place (http://www.kyokushinkaikan.org/en/) turns out to be better. Then again there is always MMA (http://www.bluedog-gym.com/index.php). I'm so confused :cry:
    I wish I had your problem! Too many good choices...

    You don't have to make any commitments right away. Pay for a month of classes and see which one you like. It doesn't matter which MA is the best if you don't enjoy the class and ultimately quit out of boredom or frustration.
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     Style: Koryu Budo, Shooto

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    Yeah- I suppose it could be a lot worse. Do they not use mouthguards in kyokushin either? Either way though it isn't totally my decision. I was going to cross train because the GF wants to as well but classes are sperated by gender at the kodokan. I wanted to do BJJ for the submission work but she was a no-go so it looks like one of these three.
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     Style: gah, transition again

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightowl
    Yeah- I suppose it could be a lot worse. Do they not use mouthguards in kyokushin either? Either way though it isn't totally my decision. I was going to cross train because the GF wants to as well but classes are sperated by gender at the kodokan. I wanted to do BJJ for the submission work but she was a no-go so it looks like one of these three.
    Do MMA for at least like 6 months or something, so you get a really good base physical fitness and some ground and stand up fighting ability. Then you see what else you want to add to your game. Kinda like long time BJJers getting into Judo or vice versa to expand their moveset.

    I'm kinda thinking of doing this myself, except I'm severely limited in the classes available to me and my work schedule sucks.
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     Style: kyokushin

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightowl
    Yeah- I suppose it could be a lot worse. Do they not use mouthguards in kyokushin either?.
    Mouhtguard is optional under international kyokushin competition rules. You are allowed to use them if you want to, but you are not requred to use them.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=[yt]esMAKx861Ds
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     Style: kyokushin

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    as for the kyokushin roundkick, there are several variations, both in mechanics and striking surface. Some do it more with just a "snappin" motion, some do it with more of a full body turn. Most do it somewhere in between. It depends on the body of the kicker.

    Generally we begin by teaching to kick with the instep to beginners, but once past that we use the shin as much as possible. The idea is to try to hit with the shin, but be ready to hit with the instep. We also kick with the ball of the foot, but only very rarely (there is a clip of it used to good effect at the 4.25mark in the vid in my last post).

    Here is a vid with only high roundkick KOs.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=[yt]4p3WrgbSCEM


    World champion Kenji Midori, showing both the snapping and full turn version put to good effect from the 5th world tournament (sorry for the horrible music)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=[yt]4aqOhgHpGFs
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  9. poker is online now

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     Style: Judo

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenBeakFist
    Really it's going to come down to you deciding whether you think you look better in a gi or silky shorts. Competitions differ in that Kyokushin rules don't allow for clinching or punches to the head. Kicks to the head are allowed. The techniques are virtually identical. Watch as noted Kyokushin champ Ayato Kitajima demonstrates a kick.


    Is he doing a Kyokushin or a Muay Thai kick?


    The answer is "Yes"
    He he looks like he is doing a MT kick. Never seen anyone spin round in karate.

    EDIT except for the video just above this post of course :laughing1

    DOUBLE EDIT I mean with a roundhouse kick
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    then you haven't watched a lot of kyokushin.
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