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  1. MikeMcSomething is offline

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    3/15/2008 5:45pm

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    Arizona Kenjutsu (Bullshido?)

    www.samuraisports.com

    Has anyone heard of this guy? He says he can teach a more 'traditional' kenjutsu, but I wasn't even sure anyone taught the koryu styles any more, anyone in AZ able to verify if he is any good or just faking it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Funny Website Bio
    Priorr to the beginning of his martial arts education he graduated from Arizona State University where he obtained a Bachelor of Science Degree in 1978. His bladed weapon experience is extensive and well polished. He has taught and conducted seminars in over 30 countries. Also, he is honored to hold the esteemed rank of Kyoshi 7th Dan, in the sword art of Goshindo, obtained at the Hombu Dojo in Yokohama, Japan.
    - Note, he doesn't specify what his B.S. happened to be about. I find this interesting.
    (yea i know. academia elitism. Engineering/Math/Physics > Chemistry/Biology > Everything else)

    also he claims to be chairperson of http://www.internationalsportschanbara.net
    maybe try contacting them to verify his claims.


    Quote Originally Posted by HILARIOUS INTERVIEW
    I really saw my strength when I went to the Budokan for my Kendo Federation shodan test. That day still is vivid in my mind. I reeked havoc in their circles and literally took their swords away. My first adversary stood steadfast in front of me, before he could charge, I feinted and came down so hard on his hand that the shinai (sword) slammed onto the floor. My second opponent was quite big, but I crossed a four-foot bridge and came right down on his head. It felt so good to know that I was on my way to be one of the big boys.
    Yea. I'm skeptical of this part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interview
    Q: What did you do after you received your Black belt?
    A: It was time to leave. You can only stay in college for so long. I left Japan and traveled throughout Asia, Africa, India and Indonesia looking for the answer that has puzzled martial artists for hundreds, if not thousands of years. The answer to the riddle, "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"
    What is the sound of a jap-o-phile douchebag makes when he toots his own horn.
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    I can't comment about the school however; they claim to incorporate Toyama Ryu and ZNKR Seitei Kata within their sword programs.

    Questions to ask:

    Are the instructors affiliated or certificated from an official school of Toyama Ryu ? Remembering that there's no single "headmaster" - I'd want to know who were their teachers.

    Similarly; are the teacher affiliated to the Zen Nihon Kendo Renmai ? Who taught them Seitei Iaido, what grades to they hold, who issued those menjo ?

    Only a minor point but; I'm sceptical about their naming of their sword program "Goshindo" is a VERY generic term and as the website states it essentially means self defence way but, neither Toyama Ryu or Seitei Kata were designed for self protection, indeed Toyama Ryu was created for the express perpose of teaching Officers and NCO of the Imperial Forces of Japan (WWII) how to use their Gunto in warfare. Seitei Kata has very limited combative effectiveness, indeed Seitei is drawn from several older kata forms from several Koryu Iai Ryu-ha however it is "Gendai" or modern and has never been tested in a combative environment thus how it (and Toyama Ryu) can be seen as a means of "self protection" is beyond me, and I've studied Japanese word arts for a lot of years.

    I need to DL Quicktime, I'll come back to the thread when I've looked at their sword clips

    --Dave
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    I'd also add, having been quickly back to the site, the whole essence of their website is of a marketing gimmick. For me as a student of JSA it doesn't float my skirt at all.

    Naming the site "SamuraiSports" I think that says a lot but that's just my opinion.

    --Dave
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    LOL.. Third post sorry lol..

    Ok well it hasn't taken me long to find connections to some serious red flags.

    I Googled "All Japan Goshindo Renmei" not much came up but this did.

    Combative Karate International Federation

    Check out the "Officials" page where Shihan Dana Abbott is listed.

    http://www.ckif.org/officials.htm

    I found this particular page very amusing:

    http://www.worldblackbelt.com/Foundi...ng_Members.asp

    I can't find any connections in Japan for an "All Japan Goshindo Renmei" I have a mate in Japan at the moment and I've dropped him an email to make some enquiries on my behalf however, The impression I have from the website and the spurious links to what looks like a lot of circle-jerking, is that the "All Japan Goshindo Renmei" could be something that Abbott has created for himself.

    --Dave
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    Sad I know but 'chanbara' rang a bell with me relating to movies, my copy of 'Yakuza' (on VHS) with Robert Mitchum in it was purchased as a 'chanbara' movie.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai_cinema
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    According to the "world of black belts" website, you can contact Chuck Norris directly via email : chucknorris@worldblackbelt.com

    ... And for you JUDO NUTRIDERS - Contact Jene Lebell here : genelebell@worldblackbelt.com

    LMFAO I'm sooo going to email them to see what the replies will be.
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    3/16/2008 11:01am

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    Well to answer what his degree was in:

    http://geography.asu.edu/hist/index.php
    Geographical Sciences

    scoll 3/4 of the way down the page to 1978 and find Dana Gregot Abbott

    Appendix F
    Persons Initiated by Theta Chapter, Gamma Theta Upsilon
    (These are the names as they chronologically appear in the official registration book used by Theta Chapter at ASU)

    1978
    Dana Gregory Abbott
    He is also listed, on his website, as being inducted into the:
    2004 United States Martial Arts Hall of Fame
    http://www.unitedstatesmartialartshalloffame.com/
    (didn't see him on there)

    2004 Universal Martial Arts Halls of Fame
    http://www.umahof.org/Pg-Inductees04.htm
    (Sword Master of the Year Japanese Arts )

    2005 Action Martial Arts Magazine Hall of Fame
    (couldn't find a website)

    2005 World Karate Union Hall of Fame
    http://www.theworldkarateunion.com/id28.htm
    (he is on there...but the site sucks)

    He has certified this gent, "20 Time Hall of Fame Inductee
    Kyoshi Kevin D. Hufford, Ph.D."
    http://www.goshindo.us/about/about.html

    10/20/02 - Instructor - Goshindo - under Kyoshi Dana Abbott
    11/19/01 - Instructor - Chanbara - under Kyoshi Dana Abbott

    Also of note, his school is referred to as:
    Samurai Sports Training Center
    Rising Sun Karate, Inc.
    on his website,here:
    http://risingsunkarate.itgo.com/
    on the website there is this story:
    http://risingsunkarate.itgo.com/custom3.html

    Where a Tim VanDenover is listed as the Head Instructor and no mention of Dana Abbott is made on the website, despite:
    http://www.usadojo.com/biographies/dana-abbott.htm

    He returned to the United States in 1998 setting up Samurai Sports, Inc
    They are both mentioned together in this PDF:
    http://www.samuraisports.com/association/pdfs/fr02.pdf

    for the United States Chanbara Federation
    http://www.samuraisports.com/association/index.html
    which seems to be run by these two.
    http://risingsunkarate.itgo.com/about.html

    Some YouTubey goodness:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6fZByPAANw



    This all looks like one big circle jerk
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    Well..... If that is the standard of tameshigiri from a "Shihan" I'm glad I'm not one of his students.

    This guy claims to be involved with Toyama Ryu and Seitei Kata

    Here's some for direct comparrison.

    Toyama Ryu Tameshigiri Demonstration

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFp45RqO7GQ

    ZNKR Seitei Kata Demonstration (Also included are some Muso Shinden Ryu kata)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__d1jeSSRcM

    I think its fair to say there's a world apart from Shihan Abbott's ability.
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    3/16/2008 2:55pm

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    Wow, those foamfighting videos are bad. I really appreciate you guys looking into that for me, it looks like I dodged a bullet there - thank you. Is there anywhere you can actually go in Arizona to get a decent education in the sword arts? I'm not looking for anything flashy, it seems like the sword arts focus on being dedicated to extremely precise application of the fundamentals and I really like that.
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