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  1. kanegs is online now

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    When to take Nitric Oxide and Glutamine

    I'm trying a new (for me) multi-vitamin that is bundled with 1000 mg of L-Arginine and L-Glutamine. Should I take them in the morning when I take the multivitamin or wait until later? What about the days I don't exercise? Would my morning coffee cause any side-effects?

    My exercise is relatively light (HIIT cardio on a Nordic Track, and Bodyweight exercises) I'm trying to lose weight and get in shape and so far it's been sucessful.

    I'm also just starting TKD and need to save some energy to practice all the new stuff I'm learing.

    I'm 36, 5'10" 200 lbs. I've lost about 25 lbs since October.


    Thanks for all the advice.
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    What is the point of taking Nitric oxide? I assume the Arginine (tip: all amino acids that you would ever consume are found in the L form, so you dont need to say L-Arg), is for enhanced nitric oxide production.

    If you want NO, you might as well take viagra.
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    Nitric Oxide, when taken properly, gives a tremendous boost in your ability to produce work. Several individuals here have stated that using NO before rolling gave them a tremendous amount of energy. The greatest benefit of NO supplementation, however, lies if the person is using it for weight training combined with some sort of HIIT.

    To the OP: the recommended way of taking these supplements is to take NO about an hour, just before your workout (or right after your workout). Glutamine, on the other hand, works best when taken immediately after a workout.

    Having said that, after a week or so of consistent daily glutamine supplementation, you should be able to use it for recovery regardless of when you take it.

    NO, on the other hand, will always work best if you take it right your training session. I would also add that you should take at least 500mg of vitamin C an hour prior to training.

    Now, having said that, if your current workout is light, skip the Nitric Oxide, and just stick with the glutamine. Save it (and your $$$) when you are doing your TKD in addition to a high intensity workout.

    BTW...

    Quote Originally Posted by kanegs
    My exercise is relatively light (HIIT cardio on a Nordic Track, and Bodyweight exercises)
    I'm not sure I get this. By definition, HIIT is never relatively light. On the contrary. If you are actually doing HIIT, and it's leaving you drained (or if TKD itself leaves you drained), then by all means, supplement with NO.

    Supplements are great, but they must go along a training routine that demands your body for supplementation. Otherwise, it's like throwing money down the toilet. Supplements are not cheap, so use them wisely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    Nitric Oxide, when taken properly, gives a tremendous boost in your ability to produce work. Several individuals here have stated that using NO before rolling gave them a tremendous amount of energy. The greatest benefit of NO supplementation, however, lies if the person is using it for weight training combined with some sort of HIIT.
    Im going to chalk that up to placebo effect. The physiological effect of NO is to drop your blood pressure by vasodilation. This is why it is given for heart attacks, because it decreases the amount of work the heart has to do. Since NO decreases blood pressure without increasing heart rate, it decreases cardiac output, and therefore organ perfusing pressure. It would make you weaker, because your muscles would take longer to recover from lack of oxygen (which happens like 5 seconds into a fight)

    But either way, I think the increase in NO you get from taking extra arginine is miniscule, and it would do nothing.
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    I'd love to see some research behind that.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
  6. kanegs is online now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    Nitric Oxide, when taken properly, gives a tremendous boost in your ability to produce work. Several individuals here have stated that using NO before rolling gave them a tremendous amount of energy. The greatest benefit of NO supplementation, however, lies if the person is using it for weight training combined with some sort of HIIT.

    To the OP: the recommended way of taking these supplements is to take NO about an hour, just before your workout (or right after your workout). Glutamine, on the other hand, works best when taken immediately after a workout.

    Having said that, after a week or so of consistent daily glutamine supplementation, you should be able to use it for recovery regardless of when you take it.

    NO, on the other hand, will always work best if you take it right your training session. I would also add that you should take at least 500mg of vitamin C an hour prior to training.
    Thanks for answer my questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    I'm not sure I get this. By definition, HIIT is never relatively light. On the contrary. If you are actually doing HIIT, and it's leaving you drained (or if TKD itself leaves you drained), then by all means, supplement with NO.
    Using http://www.musclemedia.com/training/hiit.asp as a guide I started doing 4 mins of HIIT. Tomorrow will be my third session so I'm adding a minute.

    Thurday morning I got up early and did 4 mins HIIT before my shower (I took the supplements before the workout and a protein bar after). Last night I did about 20 mins of stretching / warmup and about a 30 min TKD workout and finished with another protein bar.

    This morning I got up early again. Took the supplements, did about 20 mins of bodyweight exercises and ate a protein bar. Tonight I'll do the same stretch / warmup / TKD routine.

    I'm aiming for 3 days of HIIT, 3 days of bodyweight exercises a week. The off day will be the day I have class which is 45 mins and does drain me completely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    Supplements are great, but they must go along a training routine that demands your body for supplementation. Otherwise, it's like throwing money down the toilet. Supplements are not cheap, so use them wisely.
    I get an employee discount on supplements and right now I'm spending less on supplements than Starbucks each day. I haven't taken a multivitamin since I was a kid. Last month I started taking a multi-vitamin and joint support supplements (cold weather makes my knees sore don't know why I was never injured). This week I switched from a joint support bundle to a sports bundle (traded Omega 3 EPA & DHA, plus Glucosamine, Chondroitin & MSM for Glutmine, Arginine and a thermogenic) and I do feel like I have more energy but I can't swear it's because of the change in supplements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    I'd love to see some research behind that.
    http://ajpcell.physiology.org/cgi/co...ct/271/5/C1424
    http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/cont...ract/88/6/2884
    http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/conten...ract/75/6/2740
    http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/....030195.004011


    Edit: Wow, this is what I get for posting late at night. NO would drop BP, which does not necessarily effect cardiac output.
    Last edited by Telum; 3/15/2008 6:38am at .

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