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  1. heitschj is offline

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    Olympic lifting

    Any one else like to oly lift? I stick to snatch and cleans twice a week, with a day of heavy squats. Skip the bench and do a ton of dips. Alot of time is spent on pulling assistnace work, high pulls form rack or floor, and so on.
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    Have you read the sticky thread?
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    no should I
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    Yes, you should. The sticky thread below has a link to all the major discussions on weight training, olympic lifting, power lifting, strongman stuff, and just plain lifting in general or for MA-specific purposes.

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61712

    Long story short, lots of us play with oly lifts. A few have formal training in them, but others (like myself) do not.

    As for you, please make a little bit more sense in the stuff you are posting. Sometimes I don't know if you are explaining what you do or if you are making a suggestion.

    Quote Originally Posted by heitschj
    Skip the bench and do a ton of dips.
    Is this a suggestion, or is it what you do? What about push presses or split jerks?
    Last edited by Teh El Macho; 3/12/2008 10:42am at .
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    That is what i base my workout around. I use push jerks and push press as a change up. I find that I get better results as a high rep version of push press say 5x15,as a opposed to the rep scheme i use for snatch and cleans nothing higher than 6. I also land in the full squat catch of both. I find that the power versions limit the stretch reflex that you are tring to create by doing these lifts. I posted to just to see if anyone has found them to be benificial for MA or should i just stick to my oly lfiting sechdule. I hope I was clearer on this post for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heitschj
    Skip the bench and do a ton of dips.
    If you skip the bench, why even bother making it a part of your workout? Why not just not include it? I feel like it's a bad habit to just skip entire parts of your workout.
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    I skip the bench because I feel it has no athletic bearing. i do variations of it, floor press, dumbbell press, inclines and so on. I got stuck in a big bench phase for a while and did little else.
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    Having gotten stuck in a bench press rut for a long time is no reason to throw it out of the window.

    Heck, flat bench press is superior to inclines in so many ways, I'm like 'why he skips the bench but does inclines?' You don't see an athletic bearing on bench presses but you see it in inclines, floor presses, dumbbell presses? How does that work?

    It is just a tool, and an excellent gauge for pure, unadultered tricep/pectoralis strenght. I feel inclines are more for DE or hyperthrophy work as they put the shoulders at greater risk under heavy load.

    This is unlike flat/decline pressing or overhead pressing (either via triceps/shoulders alone or by accelerating the body as in push presses) where the shoulders are much more stable.


    Anyways, to each its own.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by heitschj
    I skip the bench because I feel it has no athletic bearing. i do variations of it, floor press, dumbbell press, inclines and so on. I got stuck in a big bench phase for a while and did little else.
    Again, it's understandable that you don't want to do it, but I'm saying, why bother to skip it? Why not just stop including it into your program if you don't want to do it? Like I said, I just feel like it encourages bad habits to have movements included into your workout and then just skip them. It's much better to just not include it.
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    I feel that if i end up in a postion with my arms colapsed and elbows benid my chest i already lost. If the distance is alredy closed I'm more than likely not going to press them off. Inclines IN my opinion are the far superior lift providing moer strength. If you are worried about shoulder stabiliztion then increas your shoulder strength.
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