Mark Hatmaker

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 3/07/2008 4:07pm

Upa: How in the world are you going to get to that position???

Hedge: He does gets to my nerves with his 'pro-western' antics. I'm sure he could have found a better way to explain his adherence to wrestling and pugilism. But nope. Add to that his disdain for what he calls 'inferior karate two-upper-knuckle' punching and that punching with the lower three knuckles is always superior. ****. NO.

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 3/07/2008 4:46pm

The way I'm envisioning it is that I'll take the back and first work a standard harness and then underhook their other arm and work from there.

I don't have the detail worked out too well but I'm hopeful. Alas, if tonight ends up having attendance like Wednesday, I'll be the scrub.

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 3/07/2008 5:40pm

Oh ****, this is going to be a long night for some poor white belt soul :evil6:

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 3/07/2008 5:54pm

Full nelson-...full nelson with the legs, I guess

Anyway, the guy seems like a complete fucking douche who uses ridiculous power moves, and there are way, WAY better sources for any technique he might do well.

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 3/07/2008 6:57pm

While the nelson is there, he's also attacking the elbows.

Edit: Nevermind, he's not I thought the guys arms were palm up but they're palm down.

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 3/07/2008 7:09pm

Yes, it's gayer than you thought, but to set up what you're suggesting, I'd still use the regular full nelson to set it up.

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 3/07/2008 7:13pm

I've got about 20 minutes to figure out how to make this work before heading out. The biggest problem that I see is that I'm going to have to get both legs up virtually simultaneously or else the opponent will be able to turn into me. I suspect I'm going to dislocate my own hips.

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 3/07/2008 10:19pm

Originally Posted by UpaLumpa

I've got about 20 minutes to figure out how to make this work before heading out. The biggest problem that I see is that I'm going to have to get both legs up virtually simultaneously or else the opponent will be able to turn into me. I suspect I'm going to dislocate my own hips.

Well, no dice. I tried to start off with a compliant partner. Started from his back and couldn't figure out how to properly scoot back while keeping the arms and also keeping them from escaping an arm and turning. Cracky is probably right, I might have been able to work it off of a full nelson.

**pauli** · Posted On: 3/07/2008 10:59pm

i'm thinking it might start as a turtle attack, and involve some remarkably dangerous gravity induced movement to get to the end position.

but i've got terrible spatial reasoning.

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 3/08/2008 1:25pm

So I tried it with a compliant partner this morning after rounds. You can hit it off of a full nelson but you have to slide distally along their arms before kicking over to circle their arms with your legs and there are opportunities for them to turn during that, and you can tap them earlier than that anyway. Not to mention the bazillion easier submissions that don't require you to create that much distance.

In short, and this is obvious just from the picture, retarded.