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  1. Bhauk87 is offline

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    I broke my tibias in Summer '06 and I can already do full 1 legged squats

    I am convinced thoroughly that all a martial artist needs to develope their legs is the use of jump ropes and 1 leged (pistol) squats

    This isn't my own idea.. about 90% of my fitness knowledge is comprised of the stuff written by Pavel Tsatsouline...

    I basicaly just learn from him and apply it without question.. and it has payed off...

    his main ideas are that working your muscles to failure will only train you to be a failure.. and that the stomach should never be trained with repetition, but rather with high tension, and of course that at the simplest level strength is nothing more than tension itself

    I love the guy's books, go give him all your money and buy kettlebells www.dragondoor.com

    of course I made the thread to become aware of his criticiisms and such.. and to hear what other people think right off the bat.. it's all good

    I'd just like to talk a little about his ideas
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    I've never heard of the guy, but

    "his main ideas are that working your muscles to failure will only train you to be a failure"

    This sounds like a retarded idea to me.
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    aight.. how come?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domite
    I've never heard of the guy, but

    "his main ideas are that working your muscles to failure will only train you to be a failure"

    This sounds like a retarded idea to me.

    It's not. Training to failure is an old bodybuiding concept, it has very little applicability towards combat sports, strength training, olympic, powerlifting, etc etc.


    Not training to failure isn't really revolutionary either, but that's aside from the point. Most people do not need to, nor should they train to failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhauk87
    aight.. how come?
    The burden of proof is on Pavel... and you.

    Pavel is another Systema idiot who likes to make up alot of stuff on physical fitness. I suspect he wakes up at night with yet another way to lubricate your joints, writes it on a notepad, and then produces a video on it the next morning.

    I'm not saying his ideas don't work... exercising and tension this or that will work all the time... just that the arguments that he levels against other forms of exercise and in support of his own aren't based in expertise... aside from the FUNCTIONAL TRAINING GOOD, ISOLATING BAD pop fitness that everyone else knows about already.

    EDIT: He's right up there with Furey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emevas
    It's not. Training to failure is an old bodybuiding concept, it has very little applicability towards combat sports, strength training, olympic, powerlifting, etc etc.


    Not training to failure isn't really revolutionary either, but that's aside from the point. Most people do not need to, nor should they train to failure.
    So how do you know when you should stop?
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    Stop before failure. Leave a few reps in the tank.
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    Pavel does Systema? I thought he didn't like the Systema guys.

    (I have no particular opinion on Pavel except that his books are oversized and overpriced for his market segment.)
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    I'm pretty sure he isn't a "Systema guy".. I'm pretty sure he's more of a "personal trainer".. he heavily condones kettlebell use for Karate/Muay Thai etc..


    I like that when I'm passing the KB around my body it jerks my body with sudden changes of momentum thus hardening my body to impact and stuff it's cool
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rooster
    The burden of proof is on Pavel... and you.

    Pavel is another Systema idiot who likes to make up alot of stuff on physical fitness. I suspect he wakes up at night with yet another way to lubricate your joints, writes it on a notepad, and then produces a video on it the next morning.

    I'm not saying his ideas don't work... exercising and tension this or that will work all the time... just that the arguments that he levels against other forms of exercise and in support of his own aren't based in expertise... aside from the FUNCTIONAL TRAINING GOOD, ISOLATING BAD pop fitness that everyone else knows about already.

    EDIT: He's right up there with Furey.
    Are you sure the Pavel you think you know of is the Pavel we usually talk about?
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