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    Commando Krav Maga

    Hey everyone, I'm a noob here and want to say g'day.

    I decided to start a new thread with the name of the style I've become the first ever "Unstructor" for - Commando Krav Maga founded by Moni Aizik. I posted on the other thread here in Noobville but it used the "Combat" name wich Moni has moved away from.

    In a nutter shell, I became the first CKM instructor in Australia and got kicked out of the organization in my first year because I wanted to teach other instructors too - never get in the way of the Chief Instructor's cash flow!

    Quote Originally Posted by AlienGunfighter
    Personally, I'd stay away from CKM. It's the "brand" taught by Moni Aizik (the guy who taught the gun defense on Human Weapon). If you have $3-5k, 3 years of martial arts experience of any kind, and a free weekend, you too can become a CKM instructor. Maybe they have Krav Maga backgrounds, maybe not. I don't know if there is any difference between CKM and "regular" KM, and since I'm not willing to pay $5k, I'll never know. (check out the FAQ at http://www.commandokravmaga.com/html/intensive_faq.html )
    I had no krav maga background before I took the one-day "Public Seminar" from Moni in October 2006. He's very charismatic and the techniques he teaches are effective, if somewhat dangerous. I knew the system would be popular with the huge trend toward Reality Based Self Defence, so I talked my buddy (who happens to be an ex-Officer of the Aussie Tactical Response Group) into doing the 5 day instructor course and bringing CKM to Australia.

    I'm a 43 year old businessman who re-discovered martial arts when the middle-age slump started. I got into traditional Okinawan karate and earned a black belt from a Sensai I have the greatest respect for. After moving to Australia in 2007, I teach a neighbourhood karate class for ages 6 to 60 on Monday and Friday. I've got a couple of dozen new students who enjoy the challenges of our art and are making great progress with fitness, coordination, disipline and self-confidence. I make no pretence that this is a business and I'm a paid teacher.

    I belive that self defence is a life skill everyone should learn.


    Quote Originally Posted by nobleidea
    I know I come off as being a troll, because to some degree I am. I throw rude comments to get people thinking.

    But, in all seriousness, this is taking a great art, BJJ not Gracie JJ, and turning it into something comical. This hurts the image of BJJ, grappling, MMA, and the martial arts in general.

    I found a similar situation with Moni Aizik. I attended a seminar with Mr. Aizik, it was descent, nothing special. However, afterward he approached several of the students he deemed as "superior" to the rest of the attendees and spoke with us at length about becoming a KKM [CKM] instructor. When I asked how long it would take, he told me each seminar for a level would be 5 days.

    Now, I ask you, how am I going to become proficient in KM or anything in 5 days? Futhermore, how am I going to teach someone else?

    When I brought up this point, I was quickly dismissed, and told it was because KKM [CKM] was quick and easy to learn. :eusa_wall

    Anyone who has met Moni knows he is a master of self-promotion!

    The whole CKM program revloves around pushing people to the instructor certification system. I paid $2,000.00 USD for my shiny certificate as a "Level 2 Instructor", but got into hot water when I wanted to teach Level 1 instructors, per what I understood from the agreement, (which Moni calls a "contract"), which says "I will have the right to test students up to one level below mine (i.e. if I am a Level 2 Instructor, I can test students up to Level 1)".

    Since I'm from a traditional karate background, where it is normal for a 2nd dan to test students up to 1st dan, I take that to mean that as a Level 2 Instructor I can test students up to Level 1 Instructor. But no...

    After my buddy and I spent something like $10,000.00 bucks to fly to Canada and pass the program, I agree to Moni's insistance that I can't certifiy instructors - even after he'd said to me, "do the math, the money is in teaching instructors". Agreeing wasn't good enough, though. The full story is on my new website, but the long and short of it is that Mr. Aizik deciced he didn't like me in his organization and threw me out.

    I welcome discussion of the system and look forward to lots of teasing about wearing camo pants to train. :5camoufla

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    We knew you could do it! dragonfire posted, YAY! And if a bot is this rude, just imagine harsh this is gonna be. Hope you're wearing a thick gi.

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    Ha! I reprogram little bots like you and make you sort spam forever!

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    Rah I guess CKM is not worth doing then. Could someone recommend some good KM in London then? They all look like bullshit taught by annoying looking people who I could probably beat in a fight. I want some sort of Israeli hardnut case, not some annoying IT consultant that done one of these courses.

    http://www.commando-kravmaga.com/

    What do you think of this place in Harrow? It looks good to me as the instructor has a BB in Judo. It was the best place I could find in London

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    Quote Originally Posted by sochin101
    Dude, whassup? Did they freeze your dick then accidentally use it to cool down a thimble full of water? Or, did you mis-spell crayonist? You know, the guy who makes sure the wax crayons you use aren't too sharp in case you decide to do the decent thing and kill yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madhorsebjj
    Rah I guess CKM is not worth doing then. Could someone recommend some good KM in London then? They all look like bullshit taught by annoying looking people who I could probably beat in a fight. I want some sort of Israeli hardnut case, not some annoying IT consultant that done one of these courses.

    http://www.commando-kravmaga.com/

    What do you think of this place in Harrow? It looks good to me as the instructor has a BB in Judo. It was the best place I could find in London
    Although I have a problem with the business, the CKM techniques are fine.

    You know how these things go - it depends so much on the background and experience of the instructor as to what he can bring to the training.

    I have never had the pleasure of training with the CKM instructors from the UK, but Gershon was well known and respected on the private instructor's forum. I'd suggest you give him a try and see if he's hardnut enough for you.

    One criticism of the system I'll share is that you have to cover the sylabus level by level; so you will spend at least a few months doing various techniques covering choke, punch, pistol and knife defence to qualify for your Level 1 student certificate. It is very much a one-technique-for-one-scenerio system, so if somebody is holding the knife a different way, you won't have the technique to cover that until you progress to Level 2 or 3 or...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abusivemelon
    How did you justify the cost?
    Well, um, I'm an "annoying IT consultant" and I study martial arts to keep myself from punching computers.

    The business justification was that my mate and I were going to be the guys at the top of the pyramid in Australia and we figured we'd make money by training the instructors here. RBSD is booming business and we were happy to cash in on it.

    Boy did that bomb! I've taught nearly 100 CKM classes in the last year and my student fees haven't covered my course cost, let alone the expenses. My buddy has gone on to make real money at a completely different gig in Dubai.

    Don't get me wrong... I tease about the computer thing, but I have a real passion for teaching karate (it is good for my body mind and spirit and all that), and I really, honestly want to teach everybody who will listen the fundamentals of self defence.

    We train by putting in mouth guards and trying as hard as we can to punch each other in the face - I believe these techniques work or I couldn't look myself in the eye when I shave every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhorsebjj
    Could someone recommend some good KM in London then?
    I've done some checking and Stewart McGill is the guy to train with. Stewart is also a CKM "Unstructor" and has done the IKMF program as well as Goju-ryu karate.

    He teaches at four locations in London.

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    Im actually really impressed by this initial post. You have been thorough and supported everything you have said in detail and with copies of correspondance where applicable.

    Nice work. Unfortunately law is not an area in which I specialise (although I am fast learning in regard to certain facets of it), so I cannot advise on how to proceed.

    Just want to say, excellent post. Very detailed and informative. Good work.

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    May I also suggest that this thread perhaps be shifted to the MA fraud and investigations section? I think there will be a lot of people who haunt that forum who will be able to provide further information or advice

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