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    Quite frankly, I am aware of no high "cultural" reason for the cheap shots and the brawls. I´d just say some of those guys had grudges against some of the other guys and they decided to take it out in the roda.

    By the way, "malícia" is nowhere near chi/ki/whatever in terms of complicated & exotic foreign terms, and it is not usually a justification for cheap shots, even in a roda. Quite frankly, gentlemen, those guys fought because they are all aggressive, athletic males in their early twenties with no ***** around.

    "Malícia" my ass, they just wanted some violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WingChun Lawyer
    Quite frankly, I am aware of no high "cultural" reason for the cheap shots and the brawls. I´d just say some of those guys had grudges against some of the other guys and they decided to take it out in the roda.

    By the way, "malícia" is nowhere near chi/ki/whatever in terms of complicated & exotic foreign terms, and it is not usually a justification for cheap shots, even in a roda. Quite frankly, gentlemen, those guys fought because they are all aggressive, athletic males in their early twenties with no ***** around.

    "Malícia" my ass, they just wanted some violence.
    Just like their malendro "ancestors" ...

    I agree that malícia isn't complicated, it's just an aspect of capoeira that isn't obvious, especially to people who have only seen/experienced the more sanitized version(s).

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    There was one great game in the there that represents good Capoeira, IMO. Check out between 2:55 and 3:16. The shirtless guy showed a headclap (telefone) at the beginning and a few well placed kicks without losing his game or having to resort to sparring his opponent. The other guy recognized the techniques, but was able to continue the game without having to brawl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WingChun Lawyer
    Quite frankly, I am aware of no high "cultural" reason for the cheap shots and the brawls. I´d just say some of those guys had grudges against some of the other guys and they decided to take it out in the roda.

    By the way, "malícia" is nowhere near chi/ki/whatever in terms of complicated & exotic foreign terms, and it is not usually a justification for cheap shots, even in a roda. Quite frankly, gentlemen, those guys fought because they are all aggressive, athletic males in their early twenties with no ***** around.

    "Malícia" my ass, they just wanted some violence.
    Good point. I didn't see much real trickery, now that you mention it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR
    As with most competitive unarmed combat styles, Capoeira is intentionally a stylized game, not a street fight. It's unusual in that, as shown in this clip, the "rules" and conventions of the game sometimes allow for street-fighting, up to a point (which is where the bystanders step in to break it up); more-or-less as a rite of passage and as a reminder that there are no rules in real fighting.
    I wasn't really arguing against your position. I can tell the difference between the street fighting and stylized games. When I was stationed in Japan, I briefly studied kendo. It was formalized and is essentially a stylized game of tag. Take the same style and have two people wailing on each other with shinai and it's no longer kendo. That was the point I was trying to make about it. I'm certain that sometimes things step outside of the lines of the style. I get that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doninha
    I liked the little guy that was grabbing the legs and pulling people down. That's pretty impressive.

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    those are some big tough men that can move. I wouldn't want to experience any of their malicia outside of the roda.

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    LOL...I suppose we have malicia at my club, but it results in humiliation/a beating. It's not a regular part of training...what a bizarre tradition.

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    I dont know what the rules or the agreements were amongst the fighters, but it seemed like there were alot of sucker punches and other **** going on there.

    If both parties agreed then that is fine... But its annoying as hell when you agree to spar someone at 30% and they end up going at 70%

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