William V Aguiar III sues Ashida Kim and Floyd Webb, Part II

**uki** · Posted On: 6/08/2008 9:08am

I'm 51, I trained with Grand Master Seikichi Odo, an Okinawan http://www.seinenkai.com/salute-odo.html . My credential are impeccable you fakes.

And you'll shoot that down too, you BDFS fakes.

Laurence

**Verne_Gilbert** · Posted On: 6/08/2008 9:09am

Mike

Pictures would be great. I did not have a lot of pictures from the old days and only 2 or 3 have survived the years.

Verne

**coachbarron2000** · Posted On: 6/08/2008 9:13am

I think we have progressed past even discussing anymore on that particular subject. Besides arent they calling them selves the international BDFS. Hey done deal.

Wake up, those guys have a right to talk about their experiences with Keehan/Dante in any forum they see fit.

**uki** · Posted On: 6/08/2008 9:14am

Originally Posted by Verne_Gilbert

Uki

In my opinion you are trying to put far to much importance on this BDFS certificate thing, it is just a piece of paper. Fact is the "old timers" you have mention all have black belts in arts and organizations other than the BDFS or IBDS. So what is the big deal that they want to get together, reminisce about the "glory days" and maybe even workout a little. I would bet that if the name World Karate Federation were available they would love to use it. Perhaps to avoid conflict they should use something like the NEW WKF. But then in my opinion one of the problems is that they are I think "pissed" at Fall Rivers for their arrogance.

So fake. I think not. How could you classify people with so many years of experience fake.

Respectfully
Verne Gilbert

But isn't the BDFS copyrighted by Fall River which is fake, But Mr Gilbert they are fakes and promoting fakes. Look its fake . Then why would experienced Black Belts wanna be known as "mail order black belts"

laurence

**coachbarron2000** · Posted On: 6/08/2008 9:18am

Uki, you posted on another thread that you graduated high school in 89. Apparently you cant keep your lies straight. If you indeed did graduate in 89 you would be inyou late 30's.

**mschremp** · Posted On: 6/08/2008 9:59am

Has anyone noticed that uki's profile picture is a pictue of Aleister Crowley. I don't think that is a coincidence.....

Hey Jawney, how ya doin.

Mike S

**Verne_Gilbert** · Posted On: 6/08/2008 9:59am

Originally Posted by uki

But isn't the BDFS copyrighted by Fall River which is fake, But Mr Gilbert they are fakes and promoting fakes. Look its fake . Then why would experienced Black Belts wanna be known as "mail order black belts"

laurence

Uki

Do yourself a favor and get past this "mail order" classification. The old timers had nothing to do with that other than Keehan may have given some of them a BDFS certificate as a token.

If you truly studied with an Okinawan master than you would know better than to be attacking the character of others. I am sure that your sensei would be very upset if he knew what you are doing.

You are trying to smear the reputations of some of the pioneers of martial arts in this country. Maybe they do not have the name recognition of folks like Trias or Keehan, but they were there and without their prescence none of it would have happened, or at least it would not be the same.

**Verne_Gilbert** · Posted On: 6/08/2008 10:02am

Originally Posted by coachbarron2000

Uki, you posted on another thread that you graduated high school in 89. Apparently you cant keep your lies straight. If you indeed did graduate in 89 you would be inyou late 30's.

Barron he didn't say he "GRADUATED", just said "after high school.

**coachbarron2000** · Posted On: 6/08/2008 10:11am

Verne , I gave him the benefit of the doubt on graduating

**Verne_Gilbert** · Posted On: 6/08/2008 10:46am

Originally Posted by uki

I'm 51, I trained with Grand Master Seikichi Odo, an Okinawan http://www.seinenkai.com/salute-odo.html . My credential are impeccable you fakes.

And you'll shoot that down too, you BDFS fakes.

Laurence

Uki to the best of my knowledge none of us here is in anyway associated with the BDFS or the International BDFS. So how can we be BDFS fakes?