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    Keep it civil Floyd - I'm trying

    Quote Originally Posted by floydwebb View Post
    Chris have fun in fantasy and, my man. You are back to calling names. Nothing new here. LOL

    Have fun being superior and all knowing. My attention is demanded elsewhere. All I know is I will love to see the some folks faces when it all comes out in the film. :-)

    Goodnite folks.
    I'm not "your man" firstly.
    Secondly, are you still going to brag that you "have fall river under control".

    Clearly you don't. Like them or not they are part of the story.
    Even more part of the story if you go with a scope change of "social milieu".

    I never claimed to be superior and all knowing. I merely think I know much more than you on the topic of John Keehan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydwebb View Post
    ROFL...You just can't help yourself can you. This is hilarious.
    You're dodging as if it was a joke only because you know I really did it.

    John F. Creeden Jr. quote I posted is when I had him on the phone with me.
    Notice it doesn't sound like me I don't use expressions like "Goodnight Chesty where ever you may be".

    Go call verify it.

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    The Chicago 3 + 1 First Dwyer now Day

    http://ashidakim.com/Kajukenbo2009.html

    Let me guess at the mystery certificate's owner .. it one of the Chicago 3 +1
    And they all love Ratford Davis.

    WOW! Now it all makes sense! They said but was known all along. Now I know why Creeden laughs at this topic.

    Seriously is Day claiming to be the head of the BDFS? Seriously? Not the way I heard about his involvement with John Keehan.

    Mr. Davis as a Ninja should know "loose lips sink ships" & if you admit you are a Ninja you aren't.

    This is funny.

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    Whenever a Ninja of feudal Japan went on a Mission and returned safely, it was customary for him to make a report to the elders of the tribe so that they might evaluate what he had learned and gather intelligence about things outside the tribal domain. Many times this was done by reciting the events in one long verbal de-briefing session. Either to a designated Chunin, or middle level agent. Or, to the Grand Mute. This was usually a statue where a sentry would be positioned behind or nearby to overhear the report spoken to the stone face. Or, a masked figure who did not speak, so that no one knew for sure to whom the report was made. This was part of the security of the clans so that the real leaders of the Ninja were not known even to their most loyal followers. That way they could not be betrayed even under torture.

    The following activity report was made verbally to the Grand Mute upon Kim-Sensei’s return from Florida and was de-classified on 9 February 2009 for publication and distribution among our martial arts fellowship.

    1345hrs– 6 February 2009-Friday

    It was a brisk morning for Florida. The mercury had dipped below freezing the past few days for the first time in years. He was chatting with an attractive stewardess and a Catholic priest, who were somewhat taken aback to see him greeted with a large banner announcing him as Master Jerry Cook and representatives of the Dojo perform the ceremonial bow required when meeting such an august personage. He bade them a merry farewell and joined the troupe for the van ride from Tampa to Auburndale.

    Premier Wrestling Studios- Saturday, 7 February 2009


    [Grandmaster Lawrence Day; 7th Dan Barron Shepherd; Master Jerry Cook; Ashida Kim]

    The 2-day event was being hosted by 7th Degree Black Belt Barron Shepherd at the Premier Wrestling Studio. It was Saturday, Feb. 7th, 2009, the 1st Full Moon, Year of the Ox. The Shaolin Wu-Tang Master had come from this retreat in Arizona to teach us Kajukenbo. It is an American style of martial arts created by Professor Adriano D. Emperado. Kajukenbo stands for the styles from which it was created: Ka - Karate; Ju - Judo Jujitsu; Ken - Kenpo Karate; Bo - Chinese Boxing. In 1947, with the aid of several other martial artists, Professor Emperado formed the Black Belt Society. As the emphasis changed from teaching a small select group to training the general public the name was changed to the Kajukenbo Self-Defense Institute. During this time between 1947 and 1949, Professor Emperado is credited with founding the Kajukenbo Self Defense System.

    Grand Master of the Emperado Method Ronald Pierce had dispatched this, his trusted aide, to share these techniques with us. Black Dragon Fighting Society Grandmaster Lawrence Day and nine of his most senior and advanced students, Black Belts all, were in attendance. They came from North Florida and Mississippi and had traveled nine hours to be there and camp on the Dojo floor in the tradition of true martial artists who would endure any hardship to find one more technique that might serve them or their students well. Sensei Joe Cayer 7th Dan Shotokan and some of his students, Master Shakur from Melbourne, and so on.


    Tai Chi Master Sifu Michael Glynn had flown in from Houston for the event. Grandmaster David Harris of the Immortal Champions Studio and two of his sons were there. As well as Ninja Sensei Ashida Kim. This meeting had been arranged at the October seminar with Grandmaster Doug Dwyer in Ft. Walton Beach last year.

    BDFS Grandmaster Lawrence Day

    Master Cook began with the Nan Chuen 18 Dragon Form from the Southern Fukien Shaolin Hung family. The techniques come from the Ching Dynasty. The form is credited to Wong Fei-Hung, a character who appeared as the doctor’s son in the movie Iron Monkey; who was played by Jackie Chan in Drunken Master; and by Jet Li in the five part Once Upon A Time In China series. Wong Fei-Hung is one of the most famous and popular martial arts heroes of Chinese legend and motion pictures. He was renowned for his feats of courage and martial arts skill, acting ever for the benefit of all, rather than for selfish motives or money.


    The 18 Dragon is a Water Element Form, because the dragon is water symbol and is associated in Chinese medicine with the kidney. The techniques, Dragon Holds Ball, Splashing Palms, Dragon Holds Pearl, Flying Dragon, Unicorn Step, Sun and Moon Shadow Fist, are divided into three sets of three movements, making it easy to teach and remember. It is the dynamic breathing method that gives it strength, speed and power. This was the morning of the first day.

    After lunch, Sifu demonstrated his Meteor Hammer technique using a soft one-inch strap and a heavy circular lock. From a flurry of mid-range whipping and flailing strikes, he released the strap to its full ten foot length and performed an amazing display of throwing, hurling, swinging, darting and dropping attacks launched by wrapping the moving strap around his body, leg, head, or arms and sending it flying at the adversary from some unexpected angle with enough force and weight to inflict quite a stunning blow. You might have seen Jackie Chan do some of these moves in Shanghai Noon with a bit of rope and a horseshoe.

    The next lesson was 18 Seizing Hands of Shaolin Chin-Na, a drill consisting of a series of wristlocks, with such exotic names as the Thumblock, the Two-Finger Break, Holding A Ball (locking Uke’s elbow in the crook of your elbow), Old Man Carrying A Fish (reverse top wristlock), Holding the Moon (elbow and wristlocking), and Snake Under Log (entangling straight arm-bar). Any of which can be applied by even the smallest defender, using leverage and knowledge of pressure points to utterly control his adversary.

    Master Cook was a font of knowledge. It was a joy to watch such an enthusiastic teacher who loved what he was doing and was so happy to find an eager and willing audience for his teachings. His stories, the tales of legendary heroes who developed these methods, at once humorous and profound, playing on symbolism and poetic, descriptive names, made it easy to remember the movements and their sequence. The pairs of students practiced to and fro, moving smoothly from one lock to another, shifting forward and back, turning and pivoting, made the practice enjoyable and developed rhythmic endurance. No one was tired after an hour or more, so we were allowed to try dynamic practice. Each player applied a lock. His partner simulated a strike, an escape, a reversal and application of a pressure point control method. Then the first player had his turn to do the same. In this way the locks and escapes followed no set pattern and provided the opportunity to experiment and compete in a friendly and sportsmanlike manner.

    We finally broke for dinner around dusk. It had been a busy day, beginning at nine, ending at six. Even then, it was hard to stop. It was such fun to learn and practice something new. To meet fellow martial artists and exchange ideas and stories. The company adjourned to a nearby Chinese restaurant for a traditional meal. The proprietor of the local tea house was familiar with some of the members, but was at first overwhelmed by the sudden volume of customers. But only for a moment before everyone was seated and served. Some ate with chopsticks, a skill requiring some patience to develop. Some had the Mongolian grill. But, no one went away hungry.

    The night was spent chatting and camping on the mats. Sensei Shepherd offered the hospitality of his nearby home to the assembled crew. But all agreed to spend the night in the Dojo as planned. In light of their decision, Sensei Shepherd proved himself to be a most gracious host by electing to remain with them through the night. It is a spiritual experience that cannot be explained, to sleep and dream in the temples of meditation and training; all part of true learning.

    Premier Wrestling Studios- Sunday, 8 February 2009

    The next day we practiced the 18 Hung Family Five Animal Five Element Form. Some of the earliest longevity exercises on record are the Five Animal Frolics of ancient China. The symbolism of these animals is taken from the Five Elements of Chinese medicine: earth, water, fire, air and wood. Two of these are linear, two are circular and one is spiral, and each is reflected in the movements of the five symbolic animals: tiger, crane, snake, dragon, and leopard. “From the crane, we learn balance and self control. The snake teaches us suppleness and rhythmic endurance. The leopard teaches us speed and patience. From the tiger we learn tenacity and power. And from the dragon, we learn to ride the wind. All creatures, the low and the high, may teach us their virtues. If we have the wisdom to learn.”


    From Hsing-I Chuan Master Cook demonstrated and taught the fundamental Five Element Fists. The short, rapid, linear striking of Fire. The crashing and pounding of the wave –like Water fist. The whipping, encircling movement of the Wind fist. The driving, hammering Earth fist. And the twisting movements of Wood. Any one of which can be easily learned and used with great efficacy for self-defense and good health. And each of which follows the creative and destructive cycles of Chinese medicine. Water destroys Fire, for example, meaning that the Water Fist is the counter-punch to the Fire Fist, and so on through the series. While Fire creates Earth, by making ash. Meaning that the Fire Fist is comfortably followed by the Earth Fist in the sequence, and that this sequence has been proven effective in combat.

    In the afternoon we were treated to a performance of the Chinese War Fan, a dynamic presentation illustrating a wide variety of fists and fluid body movements that could be used to strike or defend by opening as a shield or striking with the ribs of the fan to vital and fatal points of the body. Fan forms, like many formal Chinese exercises, are beautiful in their ballet like movements that develop not only fearsome and devastating fighting skills, but also balance the body’s energy flow to develop inner strength and longevity.

    Martial arts, after all, are not about fighting. They are about self-improvement, about doing what is right, about helping others to find their own Way.

    No one wanted it to be over, but the day ended with presentation of certificates and photo opportunity. Several new members were inducted into the Black Dragon Fighting Society by Grandmaster Day. Master Cook was generous in his sharing of printed notes and DVDs of all the material covered in the seminar, but commented that he had seldom seen a group able to absorb so much information so well in such a short period of time.

    When the others had departed Sensei Shepherd and Master Cook trained privately well into the night in the Blind Swordsman Techniques and the Five Ninja Sword Form. Zatochi, the blind swordsman, is a legendary Japanese hero on par with Wong Fei-Hung while the Ninja techniques rely on concealing the sword until the last possible moment, making it invisible until it is too late for the victim to defend himself.

    Many old friendships were renewed and many new ones formed as we worked together to share this ancient and profound knowledge. For this most wonderful experience we express our deepest gratitude to Jerry Cook and rejoice in his great joy and enthusiasm as a teacher and sterling example of martial arts skill and fellowship.

    Jerry Cook, known as the Zen Sword Master, is teaching traditional sword techniques with artistic and stylistic application. The sword styles are used for meditation, health and spiritual enlightenment, helping physical mental and spiritual awareness, self-defense and control. He is a collector of many ancient styles of martial arts stemming from the Daoist, Buddhist and Shinto temples in Japan, China and Korea. See them at: Atlas Martial Arts/Jerry Cook

    Ashida Kim
    American Representative
    DOJO-Academy of Martial Arts


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    Someone brought something to my attention last night

    This is a perfect example of either:
    1.) How memory fades after time OR
    2.) More lies from Creeden

    Creeden claimed that Barron called Fall River the day after Floyd interviewed his father. I contend that it was not the next day OR the next week OR even the next month. It was actually about two (2) months after Floyd interviewed him.

    Floyd conducted the interview in February 2007 as evidenced here: http://johnkeehan.blogspot.com/2007/...all-river.html

    Barron did not begin communicating with the Creeden's until the last week of March at the earliest. The sale of the film was made April 11, 2007.

    Here are emails (that were posted here) sent about a week after Barron first contacted the Creeden's:

    Thursday, April 5, 2007 8:03 AM
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    "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
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    you know his father use to all ways promote the style and do business the father would be right on the side of this hole shinding. but the son is a liar and a deciever hey i tried. the e-mail thats his type of ninja bullshit he tries. a good businessman looks at all propositions well sorry. hope to meet you to barron take care

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    From: barron shepherd <[email protected]>
    John, how are ya? I am glad you called me last week and cleared things up. I cant believe a guy would email from his own computer and claim to be you. At this point as I have told your dad I am not interested in even making another offer regardless of what he has. Floyd will finish the movie with what he has. Bill isnt an trustworthy person, he proved that with his email posing as you. I have a dozen other projects that I am working on so trust me I am not losing any sleep over Bill at all. The guy hurled insults at me in the email posing as you, I would nt give him a dime for what he has.

    Floyd has mentioned to me what you say that he might have but I am not willing to bargain or even email Bill anymore. The movie will be finished without his input so he really has nothing to offer as far as the kind of person Dante was. Hell he was nt even born when dante died.

    Hey you have a good one. Maybe one day I can meet you and your Dad. So take care.

    Barron
    Doesn't sound like the Creeden's were upset about Barren calling them at all.

    Here is where you can view the receipt for the sale:
    http://bp3.blogger.com/_PXP-b-2WdfA/..._BARRON_WU.jpg

    The email posted above also shows how much Creeden respects Aguiar III. It makes me laugh/cry because Aguiar destroyed our friendship over bogus lies told to him by Creeden, yet you can clearly see Creeden was the real Benedict Arnold here. (Judas was getting old.)

    ON ANOTHER TOPIC, I would like to note something else. People are claiming than Floyd purposefully waited until Aguiar Jr. died before starting his film, but doesn't anyone also think that it's a coincidence that the Creeden's didn't come back to FR until after Aguiar Jr. died?

    By his own admission Creeden III stated that the last time he trained at the BDFS school was when Aguiar III was 14 yrs old. That was two decades ago! If it can be said that Floyd waited for just the right moment to make his film, could it also not be said that the Creeden's waited till just the right moment to return to FR and (I guess) try to take command over the BDFS?

    To my knowledge, the Creeden's only lived in Providence R.I. (a 20 minute ride). Why did they stop going to the school in the first place and why didn't they come back sooner while Aguiar Jr. was still alive?

    OK, that may sound ridiculous, but the same could be said about Floyd waiting till Aguiar died to make his film, especially when most of us agree that dealing with Aguiar Jr. would have likely been a more positive thing for the film than dealing with Aguiar III and the Creeden's.

    Anyhow, just venting. Hope no-one gets offended and breaks the peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnpatricio View Post
    This is a perfect example of either:
    1.) How memory fades after time OR
    2.) More lies from Creeden

    Creeden claimed that Barron called Fall River the day after Floyd interviewed his father. I contend that it was not the next day OR the next week OR even the next month. It was actually about two (2) months after Floyd interviewed him.

    Floyd conducted the interview in February 2007 as evidenced here: http://johnkeehan.blogspot.com/2007/...all-river.html

    Barron did not begin communicating with the Creeden's until the last week of March at the earliest. The sale of the film was made April 11, 2007.

    Here are emails (that were posted here) sent about a week after Barron first contacted the Creeden's:


    Doesn't sound like the Creeden's were upset about Barren calling them at all.

    Here is where you can view the receipt for the sale:
    http://bp3.blogger.com/_PXP-b-2WdfA/..._BARRON_WU.jpg

    The email posted above also shows how much Creeden respects Aguiar III. It makes me laugh/cry because Aguiar destroyed our friendship over bogus lies told to him by Creeden, yet you can clearly see Creeden was the real Benedict Arnold here. (Judas was getting old.)

    ON ANOTHER TOPIC, I would like to note something else. People are claiming than Floyd purposefully waited until Aguiar Jr. died before starting his film, but doesn't anyone also think that it's a coincidence that the Creeden's didn't come back to FR until after Aguiar Jr. died?

    By his own admission Creeden III stated that the last time he trained at the BDFS school was when Aguiar III was 14 yrs old. That was two decades ago! If it can be said that Floyd waited for just the right moment to make his film, could it also not be said that the Creeden's waited till just the right moment to return to FR and (I guess) try to take command over the BDFS?

    To my knowledge, the Creeden's only lived in Providence R.I. (a 20 minute ride). Why did they stop going to the school in the first place and why didn't they come back sooner while Aguiar Jr. was still alive?

    OK, that may sound ridiculous, but the same could be said about Floyd waiting till Aguiar died to make his film, especially when most of us agree that dealing with Aguiar Jr. would have likely been a more positive thing for the film than dealing with Aguiar III and the Creeden's.

    Anyhow, just venting. Hope no-one gets offended and breaks the peace.
    It may well break the peace. Making such statements about Creeden Jr. is not a good idea. In my opinion.

    M. R. Searing Jr.

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    For the sake of argument and to be fair to all involved I have a request of Creeden. Can you post a mail order certificate for comparison to the mystery certificate. Like I said, I have seen the other certificate and would like something to compare it to. I can not share what I have seen due to the promise I made however I can form an opinion.

    Mike S

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    It may well break the peace. Making such statements about Creeden Jr. is not a good idea. In my opinion.

    M. R. Searing Jr.
    My peace is with Chris and my comments do not involve him at all so I don't see how that peace can be broken. If Creeden Jr. has a complaint, he is welcome to post here himself and share it.

    For clarification, the first half of my post was directed mainly at Creeden III. And I stand by what I said because the evidence is right there! Either he lied about Barren calling the next day OR time has affected his memory.

    The second half was more to make a point than to make accusations. For the record I do not believe that the Creeden's purposefully waited till Aguiar passed to go back to FR. I also do not believe that Floyd purposefully waited till Aguiar died to make his film. Sometimes the only way to make a point is to illustrate how ridiculous some accusations are. I think my example does just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mschremp View Post
    For the sake of argument and to be fair to all involved I have a request of Creeden. Can you post a mail order certificate for comparison to the mystery certificate. Like I said, I have seen the other certificate and would like something to compare it to. I can not share what I have seen due to the promise I made however I can form an opinion.

    Mike S
    Thanks for asking that question. I talked to John briefly. He's working overtime which is probably why he hasn't posted. You know his compulsion to post :happy7:

    But he said he would, I can't say when but he said he would and he's been forthright with me.

    But I see where you are going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnpatricio View Post
    My peace is with Chris and my comments do not involve him at all so I don't see how that peace can be broken. If Creeden Jr. has a complaint, he is welcome to post here himself and share it.

    For clarification, the first half of my post was directed mainly at Creeden III. And I stand by what I said because the evidence is right there! Either he lied about Barren calling the next day OR time has affected his memory.

    The second half was more to make a point than to make accusations. For the record I do not believe that the Creeden's purposefully waited till Aguiar passed to go back to FR. I also do not believe that Floyd purposefully waited till Aguiar died to make his film. Sometimes the only way to make a point is to illustrate how ridiculous some accusations are. I think my example does just that.
    John -
    Just my advice. Unless you have a personal relationship with John Jr. .. I would just drop it for no reason other than respect and keeping it civil here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnpatricio View Post
    My peace is with Chris and my comments do not involve him at all so I don't see how that peace can be broken. If Creeden Jr. has a complaint, he is welcome to post here himself and share it.

    For clarification, the first half of my post was directed mainly at Creeden III. And I stand by what I said because the evidence is right there! Either he lied about Barren calling the next day OR time has affected his memory.

    The second half was more to make a point than to make accusations. For the record I do not believe that the Creeden's purposefully waited till Aguiar passed to go back to FR. I also do not believe that Floyd purposefully waited till Aguiar died to make his film. Sometimes the only way to make a point is to illustrate how ridiculous some accusations are. I think my example does just that.
    That cleared up what you were trying to say. Its a bit hard trying to keep up with whom is being talked about. To many people with the same damn name.

    M. R. Searing Jr.

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