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    Quote Originally Posted by Lob Sing View Post
    Creeden went against Billy III and invited him to Fall River. Only to be screwed and slandered by Floyd Webb and Barron Shepperd. Nobody wants to talk about his back stabbing. I dont think hes doing Billy a favor.

    You must ask this question Darrel. How did Barron Shepperd get John Creeden Jr's number. From Floyd Webb why would he goe to Ashida kim first?:eusa_liar



    William Jr had the BDFS and the WKF for 40 years in Fall River, He took the organization farther than Keehan in many aspects.



    Because like his farther, he fuckin stubborn. And the Barron Shepperd thing really made him stand back.



    AAAwwww whats wrong. I think your "Karate" is strong. But the Bujikhan thing is just weak.



    Oh Simon It doesnt fool me. You came from a an aggressive school and thats good . I bet Riley Hawkins could really push the aggression buttons in you. Which is good. But you cant know what you can do unless your under a stressful situations.



    Well I guess Floyd and Barron Shepperd need to learn to play better with the kids then. Isnt that right " I'm the guy"



    Like you said a web site isnt teaching.



    No I agree with you 100% Simon. I dont think their on the ropes. But a guy has the right to say NO.



    I agree with you on this one to.

    1) there are any number of reasons why Kim was Floyd's initial choice. I would bet that it was that Kim was available to speak. Floyd didn't go into this project knowing who was legit and who was not and as a filmaker he can't make this judgement wholesale... he needs people to speak up so he can represent them. Ask yourself this: did Floyd know anyone in the Dante camps before this film? if not how would he know that Kim was a weasel?

    2) Yeah William junior did a great job I don't dispute that. It is very obvious that William was great for Dante's enterprise... he swung the bat hard for Keehan and got himself some juice also... some well deserved juice I may add. I have a lot of respect for him, GRHS... He is an example of a good choice for lineage... he carried the art and he even had a son to give the art too. I hope nobody thinks I would say something untoward about William Acquier, i would not, I have nothing but sympathy for the position he was put in.

    3) Buninkan is Weak:vv:. Heres the thing though... and I can't explain it. I met some of the best martial artists in the Booj and often these guys had a group and we would train our own way, off the mainstream though. The actual techniques in the 9 schools of the Booj are not bad... though for purity the Kukishin is the only school I would say there is proof of in antiquity. I love the Kukishin stuff though, it is great stuff to train in (the kukishin). Morhay Moryoshiba trained in the Kukishin before his Akido and when it is trained well it has a different and awesome concept of Aiki! among other things. Listen I will never defend Hatsumi... he does some things well and others horribly and when he instituted the rank inflation, dont even get me started on that BS! haha

    So the Booj as a whole is weak but there are some guys who are really good. Some of the known teachers included.

    Stressful situation? We fought full contact no pads. I probably got about 2 concussions , broke or dislocated all my fingers except my thumb at one time or another, have stitches in 3 places on my face and on the bottom of my feet. Everything was all out and very stressful! With Sensei Wigginton it was pretty much the same but with weapons also. You took the blows and learned how through Kobudo training. including to the throat and groin when you were good enough. I don't toot my horn but honestly? I laugh when I hear about "live" training on this site... what we did was stupid and crazy but I thought (not knowing other karate schools) that was what everybody did! I have a funny story for you about that actually.

    I hope it is understood that my critiscism of Billy is intended to maybe get him to think about things a little differently? Thats all... he is still a young guy with a kid? and that means he can do things differently if it is better. I really think it is better when we see ourselves in the context of living up to our responsabilites. Having an art to transmit.... thats a hell of a responsability. I often thank the heavens that I have two boys... they are a pain in the ass and I love em for it but more to the point, I have two of them to carry on... if I died tomorrow everything is in the type of notebook that Chris described haha... they know where it is... so I'm good.
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    1) there are any number of reasons why Kim was Floyd's initial choice. I would bet that it was that Kim was available to speak.
    Last I heard they haven't spoken .. I don't know what AK has to do with anything. But here he is cashing in already.


    Darrel & Lob, when did this become your thread? We need more complaining about "social responsibility" , "ethics" & "hacks cashing in on a corpse".

    Why don't you two just get in the ring already ?
    :qleft3:

    Floyd, right before he said I should go to the nut-house from the blue toothed voiced voices in my head, said I was a "major disappointment". I guess he won't be disappointed in my request not to be in his film or have my instructor in his film.

    Though as an after thought, crazy man with the bat has a bookstore in Chicago called "Alchemy Arts" so I checked him out on a hunch. I mentioned the "Choronzon Club" to him .. he quit liking me after that. Curiously, Marc Lully ran the "Alchemy Church" probably just a coincidence. *wink wink* *nudge nudge* :eusa_shhh

    But if you talk to him about it he has a temper fit and wields a Louisville slugger. I thought he wasn't anything .. but I'm stupid like that.

    :iamwithst

    Heck, I even give people the benefit of the doubt and take them on their word of honor.

    Sincerely,
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    Why don't you two just get in the ring already ?
    Because the winner would be a loser and the loser will be annihalated.....:new_smile

    We need more complaining about "social responsibility" , "ethics" & "hacks cashing in on a corpse".
    Were doing that arent we. Remember mind, body, spirit. The dragons and the flag in the Dante ad's. Means speed power and technique. I mean doing a Dante film about Karate is one thing. But Keehans personal life is wacked.

    But when Bertrauix entered this movie. I believe Floyd Webb's ethics are in question pertaining to this. HOW DID FLOYD WEBB KNOW HIM? You dont put Satan worshippers in a movie to boost sales.

    Floyd, right before he said I should go to the nut-house from the blue toothed voiced voices in my head, said I was a "major disappointment". I guess he won't be disappointed in my request not to be in his film or have my instructor in his film.
    Dude you were never in the film at all. Floyd webb turned on you like he turned on Creeden. Dont do what Floyd Webb wants he will slanders you.

    I mentioned the "Choronzon Club" to him .. he quit liking me after that. Curiously, Marc Lully ran the "Alchemy Church" probably just a coincidence. *wink wink* *nudge nudge* :eusa_shhh
    Some people think they know, but other really know what going on.
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    I leave you with this link and a picture.

    http://john-keehan.blogspot.com/
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    Reach in the darkness
    A reach in the dark
    To overcome an obstacle or an enemy
    To glide away from the razor or a knife
    To overcome an obstacle or an enemy
    To dominate the impossible in your life

    and most important of all:
    Boogety Boogety!!
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    Floyd webb the ashida kimof religion

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    Reach in the darkness
    A reach in the dark
    To overcome an obstacle or an enemy
    To glide away from the razor or a knife
    To overcome an obstacle or an enemy
    To dominate the impossible in your life

    and most important of all:
    Boogety Boogety!!
    Thats tells alot about you Floyd Webb right their.

    http://www.themonastery.org/?destina...raryDrDivinity

    On line degrees doesnt make you an authority. Hence you credability problem..... It makes you a fraud like Ashida Kim.

    Your nothing but a "jack off" who know nothing about theology.

    YOU JUST PROVED TO EVERYONE YOUR A KOOL AID DRINKER.

    THATS JUST EXPOSES YOU FOR THE FRAUD THAT YOU ARE. DUMB MOVE FLOYD.

    YOU CAN PUT THAT DEGREE WITH YOUR FAKE "BDFS" HONORARY DEGREE.

    WHICH SHOWS HOW MUCH OF A FRAUD THAT YOU REALLY ARE.

    FLOYD DID YOU GET YOUR BLACK BELT FROM ASHIDA KIM, I BET YOU DID THREW MAIL ORDER.

    YOUR A LAUGHING STOCK NOW......
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    Ah har har Ah har har....
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    [quote=Lob Sing;2134153]Because the winner would be a loser and the loser will be annihalated.....:new_smile


    Because you guys are my buds... all of you no matter what side of the fence you are on. Yes I ask some hard questions at times and can even be a bit judgemental but consider this.... Especially Billy should consider this:

    I have never posted on an Ahida Kim thread. I have never written a post to Ashida Kim as a matter of fact and if Kim got wacked, smacked or othewise was unfortunate I might pause in between sips of coffee and laugh a bit and say "oh well." In a word I could not give two shits what happens to Ashida Kim.

    I do give a **** about the people involved with this project. I would like things to somehow come together and for people to somehow reconcile on some level. Which is why i bother to post on this thread regularly and bother to speak to the people involved.
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    Ah har har Ah har har....
    Your the type of person who drinks kool aid laced with Cyanide and then asks for seconds. Now thats funny.:hitlerdan
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    Creedens latest post on keehan and mark lully

    Check the links yourself and look at the Keehan picture and judge for yourself.

    http://john-keehan.blogspot.com/

    THRUTH ABOUT THE JOHN KEEHAN / COUNT DANTE


    Pieschala mentioned Argenteum Astrum and now exposes the truth.Its is a early Crowley group. The first actually. He is very well versed. Heres is Mark Lully It hard to believe in this picture that this guy owned 4 porno house and ran undergound porn. I get this picture from a Bertrauix link matter of fact http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/sunrise/pics.htm. And go half way down the page. And their it is.




    This is were the eyes comes from from. Argenteum Astrum. Floyd you wanted your proof well their it is. Its was all Marc Lully. "John Dante" was his spirtual name he was seeking enlightment. You know Floyd "Cosmic John" were do you think this type of thing comes from.



    http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/a/argenteum_astrum%20.html



    Argenteum Astrum was the magical order founded by Aleister

    Crowley
    after leaving the Hermetic
    Order of the Golden Dawn
    . It was synonymously known as the Order of the
    Silver Star, originally developed by S. L. Mathers in the Golden Dawn, but
    gradually became more adapted toward Crowley's bisexual orientation. Many known
    occultists were in its membership including Victor Neuberg, and for a brief
    period Austin Osman Spare. The Argenteum Astrum (abbreviated A:. A:.) later was
    incorporated into the Ordo Templi Orientis (O. T. O.). A.G.H







    So you see the ring goes way back to the original Crowley group.



    http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/sunrise/xi.htm











    The Argenteum Astrum (abbreviated A:. A:.) later was incorporated into the Ordo Templi Orientis. The same group thats is lead by Bertrauix.



    See Marc Lully ran the Chronzon Club and was its master. This was a major part of John Keehan life. And they were close business partners.



    See thats why John keehan got 18 different rights, Ordinations and Doctor of Divinity. Floyd webb wants proof well get ready for it Webb. Its coming for you.







    A story by my father.


    When my father met Marc Lully he was in an adult bookstore with
    a hose washing down the "Jerk off" rooms with a hose hosing down the
    semen, after that they went out partied. The next day I wont go into
    alot of detail.They went to a black mass and they were eating food off of
    naked womens bodies, and chantting incantations. This went on for an hour. Then
    they brought in the young boys and my father had enough, John Keehan said to my
    father " you cant leave right now you have to weight until the end. My father
    said **** this and left, Keehan followed 15 minutes later and the William Aguiar
    Jr followed Keehan.

    Then Marc Lully came out naked and had some sort of fluid on him. And asked them to stay for dinner. His treat, John Keehan said no. And then went behind the desk at the Chronzoan Club grabbed the money that had to be kicked up to Sam Giancana.

    The next day they were at John Keehan Tiara apt. When Marc Lully came in with over 30 women for them to choose from. "To do thy will with them" his quote.

    I leave you with this picture of John Keehan unreleased. You tell me what around his neck. Let the people be the judge.

    FLOYD WEBB I HAVE ALL THE PROOF YOU HAVE NOTHING.


    Its looks like a Pentagram over a picture of Christ. You wanted it you got it. THE PROOF

    I add this for a timeline.
    http://leozagami.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/2008-05-08-regarding-choronzon-the-xi%C2%B0-of-the-oto/

    The Qabalistic Alchemist Church of April 1, 1960 – was founded by over 20 people. High Masons and Ethiopian Alchemest [sic] Church – 10000 of years old, and Eastern Orthodox Catholic. (Arch Bishop Theodotus of New York and Society of Rosicrucians in America…)” [19]
    Webb, as a bishop, stayed loyal to the officially incorporated ‘Qabalistic Alchemist Church’ and his own ‘Ordo Argenteum Astrum’ (its English version published the “Equinox Magazine”).
    The Gnostic Catholic Church Boast or How William Breeze lost his Apostolic Succession

    Marc-Antoine Lullyanov
    Born on January 5th 1949 in Chicago, in 1966 he became a minister of the ‘Spiritual Church’, as well as joining the Martinists, and the Vice-President of a Theosophical Lodge in Chicago. [20]

    M.P. Bertiaux
    On March 31st 1966, Bertiaux moved from Chicago to live at Wheaton in Illinois. In time the Chicago group [C] grew older, and shrank to barely a dozen members, or so it appeared to Bertiaux. As reading-material they used some books left to them by Ruby Jones (C.S. Jones’s widow). These books were later bought up by Marc Lully[anov] “Tau IV”. The XI° people in the CC went to see Bertiaux’s course of Theosophical lectures, where the youngest member Marc Lully made Bertiaux’s acquaintance in January 1966, and became a member of ‘”La Couleuvre Noire’.

    Bertiaux also visited Golden Dawn-inspired groups, various Martinists, and the ‘Achad Society’, which Ruby Jones ran. In his taped “Historical Reflections” of 1978, Bertiaux decribed the atmosphere of depression and boredom that these cults emitted, traits which their respective leaders seemed to possess in person.

    The meetings of the CC were held naked, and without female participation; most of the participants were black, for instance from boxing circles. The teachings of C.S. Jones, Russell, and Crowley were not favoured. Bertiaux thought that it had all got very “demonic”.
    In January 1966 Bertiaux was initiated into Lully’s CC. [21]

    January 18th 1967: Marc Lully became a member of the Ecclesia Gnostica Spiritualis under Bertiaux.
    August 10th 1967: Marc Lully assisted at the exchange of consecrations between Bertiaux and Shreves.
    November 4th 1967: Marc Lully and Shreves became bishops of the QBL Alchemist Church through Webb. The “charter… is XI°, only.” [22] Bertiaux believed that Shreves represented the ‘authentic’ O.T.O. [23]

    December 22nd 1967: Lully and one George Adams exchanged “initiations” at the ‘Spiritual Church’ (previously mentioned in association with Lully) at Chicago’s Hyde Park. [24]

    December 25th 1967: Marc Lully initiated Bertiaux.
    January 18th 1972: Lully was ordained through the offices of Hector-François Jean-Maine.
    Later in the 1970s H.P. Smith was frequently seen with W.W. Webb.
    Bertiaux and Lully made enquiries to Shreves’s PGHS [D] in California about Franklin Thomas’s “64 Blocks”.
    In 1977 Lully became the ‘Imperator’ of the OTOA, and supposedly had an alliance with the OTO run by Hansen “Kadosh” in Copenhagen. Bertiaux thought that the Scandinavian O.T.O. was of Theodor Reuss’ and ‘Papus’ origin, which then appeared in the OTOA’s publicity. In September 1978 Lully disappeared; it seems that he ended up “in a Roman Catholic Monastery.” [25]

    It was later stated that Bertiaux’s “Choronzon Club has no link to Russell’s organization: Russell told me so and wrote me so.” [26]
    Bertiaux’s XI° system went much further than what Crowley had done so little to elaborate in Kabbalistic or practical terms. [28]
    It was proclaimed that “The next Aeon will be male homosexual (Typhon) and lesbian (Ma’at formula) strongly.” [28]
    In Bertiaux’s 16 degree system of the OTOA sexmagick starts with the VIII° (swords), IX° (cups), X° (wands), XI° (coins). Then there are the higher secrets related to the tattwas and the elements: XII° (prithiwitattwa), XIII° (apastattwa), XIV° (vayutattwa), XV° (tejastattwa), XVI° (akashatattwa), these latter four grades being purely homosexual degrees.
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