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  1. Verne_Gilbert is offline

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    Well said John

    Come on guys. This entire conversation is mute. I have read here to many times that Floyd is not telling the correct story. No one, except Floyd, knows who or what will be in his film. It's his film, let him tell the story the way he wants. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT MAKE YOUR OWN FILM. Probably the only thing for certain is that Fall Rivers, if mentioned at all, will have a very small role. They only have greed and misguided pride to blame for that. And please "master" and "bot brain" don't give me that Chicago turned it's back on daddy BS. None of you were there so you don't know for sure what went down. Hell, not only were you not there you weren't even born when this all went down. And no I don't know what happen either, like you I only know what I have been told. If you put five of the players from the day in a room and asked them to retell the story, you most likely will get five different stories.
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    I'M GONNA BE NICE AND SAY THIS.:qright6:

    I'm gonna play him for a minute Creeden. From what I read and from what think is going on.

    I have read here to many times that Floyd is not telling the correct story. No one, except Floyd, knows who or what will be in his film. It's his film, let him tell the story the way he wants
    Its about the people in it, Their are certain ones that would know more than others. Names and place that others wouldn't know. The 67 flyers tells it all from Creedens blog that are not talking. What theirs three of them thats all.Out of 50 of them. He puts up the proof. Have Dwyer and Edgell, and Felkoff post their signed by Dante Black Dragon Fighting Society diplomas,AND THEN ITS A MUTE POINT.......:adora:Fall River has theirs and Chicago doesnt why is that.:iamwithst



    None of you were there so you don't know for sure what went down.
    But their fathers were through, you seem to forget that. And shy away from it their kids are freaks but the fathers dont touch them. ITS WHO THEY ARE. The go back to 1966 maybe even before your time. They were close to Keehan to close in many aspects.

    I think that John Creeden Jr the father would know hes got pictures with Keehan too just like Dwyer and Aguiar Jr.

    Louie Di Fonzo was from Fall River and a life long friend of William Aguiar Jr and the puralotor robbery was master minded by Keehan and Fall River. Taunton death matches, Their in all the magazines with him its undeniable, were is Chicago at this time. They faded fast.

    They only have greed and misguided pride to blame for that.
    How Dante.

    If you put five of the players from the day in a room and asked them to retell the story, you most likely will get five different stories.
    Yes you are correct on that assumption, but only one has the truth. And it isn't Chicago.

    I doubt Floyd was just sitting around waiting for Aguiar to die so that he could make his film
    Are you sure, its quite interesting. the correlation of the times might be interesting to look into.

    As far as making anything personal, did you read my last post? Those were personal attacks against me... not from me. Aguiar/Creeden are the guys who made it personal. I wasn't the one who accused people of selling drugs and made a fake child molester ID. Aguiar/Creeden are the people who did those things to me. How in the hell do you figure that to be me making personal attacks??? I can't figure out that accusation at all.
    Stop internalizing, The gay porn video you made against them was quite am mussing. Dude a couple of words for you. Their called breaking balls three quarters of bullshido including the hobbit from the shire, would be banned for breaking balls.

    One thing for sure is Aguiar Jr. would have been a lot more cooperative than Aguiar III.
    lmfao:qright6:

    Creeden is way older than Billy right. Dont you think he dealt with the father not the son. And Creeden the father and John Cole their not real.
    I think their more real than the Chicago guy were. And Why do I say that.

    If they knew him in 1966. Then they knew him during the dojo war and they didnt turn their backs on them. Its so easy to see. All this from magazines I read.:bootyshak
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    Its about the people in it, Their are certain ones that would know more than others. Names and place that others wouldn't know. The 67 flyers tells it all from Creedens blog that are not talking. What theirs three of them thats all.Out of 50 of them. He puts up the proof. Have Dwyer and Edgell, and Felkoff post their signed by Dante Black Dragon Fighting Society diplomas,AND THEN ITS A MUTE POINT.......:adora:Fall River has theirs and Chicago doesnt why is that.:iamwithst

    Yes it's about the people in it. You can not tell from a blog what Floyd has or doesn't have to tell his story. It would be bad business for him to tell his story in full on the internet. He puts out little tit bits to intise the viewing public. Good marketing. From what I hear he has talked to way more than 3. Maybe most that are still alive.





    But their fathers were through, you seem to forget that. And shy away from it their kids are freaks but the fathers dont touch them. ITS WHO THEY ARE. The go back to 1966 maybe even before your time. They were close to Keehan to close in many aspects.

    I think that John Creeden Jr the father would know hes got pictures with Keehan too just like Dwyer and Aguiar Jr.

    Louie Di Fonzo was from Fall River and a life long friend of William Aguiar Jr and the puralotor robbery was master minded by Keehan and Fall River. Taunton death matches, Their in all the magazines with him its undeniable, were is Chicago at this time. They faded fast.


    I am not saying that Keehan and your fathers did not have a close relationship. That is not at all the point. The point is this: Louie Di Fonzo was from Fall River and a life long friend of William Aguiar Jr and the puralotor robbery was master minded by Keehan and Fall River. If true this was clearly an illegal act, (breaking the law of the land). I would suggest to you that the Chicago people had put up with more than a little bit of this sort of thing with Keehan. After the Dante personality was created and the dojo war, it was evident that he had crossed a line (jumped over that cliff) and would never return, did not want to return. Why would normal everyday people with families to support want to subject themselves to such activities. The fact that the Fall Rivers fathers did is a real shame. For men to break the law in the name of "friendship", not something that normal people do.



    How Dante.
    Yes very much so.



    Yes you are correct on that assumption, but only one has the truth. And it isn't Chicago.
    Wouldn't it be nice if there was only one truth in this story. Fact is the "truth" depends on your experence and point of view, and there are many as we all know. Can't wait to see Floyds point of view.


    If they knew him in 1966. Then they knew him during the dojo war and they didnt turn their backs on them. Its so easy to see. All this from magazines I read.:bootyshak
    Mute point. They only knew Count Dante not John Keehan. Big difference.
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    As far as making anything personal, did you read my last post? Those were personal attacks against me... not from me. Aguiar/Creeden are the guys who made it personal. I wasn't the one who accused people of selling drugs and made a fake child molester ID. Aguiar/Creeden are the people who did those things to me. How in the hell do you figure that to be me making personal attacks??? I can't figure out that accusation at all.

    As far as choosing sides, I don't care if you choose sides or sit in the middle, but if you're going to be listening to Creeden you just have to realize half of what he says are lies and the other half is exaggerated. Saying that is not a personal attack either... it's simply the truth.
    That "PS" had nothing to do with you, seriously.

    And reread the title of the thread and rethink 2005. At least 2 out of three names have been going at it for years ..

    What do I want to see? Nothing really. What is he making, I don't know.
    (yes I'm going somewhere with this.)
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    I am not saying that Keehan and your fathers did not have a close relationship.
    Their were closer to Keehan than than Chicago, ran his businessess. He never really trusted anyone in Chicago.

    And I think thats why their fighting so hard with it.

    The fact that the Fall Rivers fathers did is a real shame. For men to break the law in the name of "friendship.
    The Wkyas bombing of his dojo with Keehan and Dwyer. You dont think that those guys didnt bang hookers and do illegal stuff.

    What about Lully and Bertrauix, were do you think Dantes sex slave came from. The porno houses the porno film business. The prositutes from state street. " The women of color". were did they come from Keehans friends.

    Have you seen Bertauix links. The drinking of mens semen for power. Thats doesnt happen in Fall River all that happened in CHICAGO.:f-off:
    So before you make stupid statements think.

    For men to break the law in the name of "friendship
    Obviuosly you dont have a military backround. One word TEAM. Well and money.

    I would suggest to you that the Chicago people had put up with more than a little bit of this sort of thing with Keehan. After the Dante personality was created and the dojo war, it was evident that he had crossed a line (jumped over that cliff) and would never return, did not want to return. Why would normal everyday people with families to support want to subject themselves to such activities
    You just said it they turned their back on him.
    I have several off the wall friends that I wouldnt go out with. But I wouldnt black list them out of my life.

    Wouldn't it be nice if there was only one truth in this story. Fact is the "truth" depends on your experence and point of view
    AAAAhhh yes the truth. Wouldnt you think that Keehan would have told his friends about what Chicago did or didnt do.

    I take Creeden side of the story the magazines back him up and Chicago guys are a bunch of liars.

    When Keehan in 1970 came to Fall River, did anyone call him to see how he was doing NO THEY DIDNT. SO HENCE THEY TURNED THEIR BACK ON HIM.

    Mute point. They only knew Count Dante not John Keehan. Big difference.
    No they knew John Keehan, Count Dante was a pen name, Like Bernard Schwartz a.k.a Tony Curtis, or June Fan a.k.a. Bruce Lee, or Marion Michael Morrison a.k.a. John Wayne.

    Chicago drank the kool aid with that one. Its Chicago fasination with Count Dante, not Fall River.:tellme:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lob Sing View Post
    Their were closer to Keehan than than Chicago, ran his businessess. He never really trusted anyone in Chicago.

    And I think thats why their fighting so hard with it.



    The Wkyas bombing of his dojo with Keehan and Dwyer. You dont think that those guys didnt bang hookers and do illegal stuff.

    What about Lully and Bertrauix, were do you think Dantes sex slave came from. The porno houses the porno film business. The prositutes from state street. " The women of color". were did they come from Keehans friends.

    Have you seen Bertauix links. The drinking of mens semen for power. Thats doesnt happen in Fall River all that happened in CHICAGO.:f-off:
    So before you make stupid statements think.



    Obviuosly you dont have a military backround. One word TEAM. Well and money.



    You just said it they turned their back on him.
    I have several off the wall friends that I wouldnt go out with. But I wouldnt black list them out of my life.



    AAAAhhh yes the truth. Wouldnt you think that Keehan would have told his friends about what Chicago did or didnt do.

    I take Creeden side of the story the magazines back him up and Chicago guys are a bunch of liars.

    When Keehan in 1970 came to Fall River, did anyone call him to see how he was doing NO THEY DIDNT. SO HENCE THEY TURNED THEIR BACK ON HIM.



    No they knew John Keehan, Count Dante was a pen name, Like Bernard Schwartz a.k.a Tony Curtis, or June Fan a.k.a. Bruce Lee, or Marion Michael Morrison a.k.a. John Wayne.

    Chicago drank the kool aid with that one. Its Chicago fasination with Count Dante, not Fall River.:tellme:
    Wrong again. I spent 4 years in the military long before yourself. So please don't think you have a right to lecture me on what TEAM means. There is a difference in being willing to sacrifice for a brother in arms and participating in illegal acts for someone hell bent on self destruction.

    You and I will never agree on anything related to this subject. You have your truth and I have mine. Lets just wait and see what Floyd's truth is. If you don't agree with it you can make your own film.
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    YouTube - Interview with Grand Master John Cole

    I re posted the link to correct my error. I have done this video with John Cole who wanted to clear up any controversy pertaining to my Tenth dan . from my father and certificates pertaining to rank, before his death in 2005.There will be a few parts to it.

    also I need to clear the air on the following


    http://ashidakim.com/politics.html

    Plaintiff and his single comrade served their purpose. In February 2008 he was arrested for possession of heroin. In November 2008 he was sentenced to the state correctional facility.
    See its stuff like this, aside from the Patricio incident which was dismissed . I have not been convected for anything, not even a parking ticket. So keep up the slander I have said nothing directly to any of you.

    You see it on the 1BDFS board right now about Aguiar busted from Ashida kims pen name its the same name on his blog.


    Everyone knows the truth you cant change the truth
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    See its stuff like this, aside from the Patricio incident which was dismissed . I have not been convected for anything, not even a parking ticket. So keep up the slander I have said nothing directly to any of you.
    Do I see a slander suit in the making. Ashida and Floyd Webb are going to be sued bad. OMG

    If Billy can prove that the slander started by Floyd Webb on the 1BDFS board.

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    Aguiar in the news paper

    http://www.heraldnews.com/police_and...TIONS-11-20-08
    William Aquiar, III, 40, 17 Emerson St., Apt. 2, possession of a Class A drug, guilty, six months house of correction.
    Its all Radford davis, Floyd webb and John Patricio. You are all slandering the Grand Master of the Black Dragon Fighting Society.

    Whos the Grand Master of the Chicago BDFS
    Patricio who is it, you false flagging assholes.

    We all know one way or another that Floyd Webb and John Patricio are straight out gay.:gaygay:

    So keep up the slander I have said nothing directly to any of you.
    This statement proves that the guy has said nothing to any of you, but you all directly attack the guy. Its show alot of Webb character alot.
    You to Hobbit of the shire.:idea:

    There is a difference in being willing to sacrifice for a brother in arms and participating in illegal acts for someone hell bent on self destruction
    You should go ask Dwyer that one. Bombing dojo's for shake down money is illegal their Verne. So before you make stupid statements ask the Chicago guys first.

    You have your truth and I have mine
    Hence the bag of rocks.

    What about Lully and Bertrauix, were do you think Dantes sex slave came from. The porno houses the porno film business. The prositutes from state street. " The women of color". were did they come from Keehans friends.

    Have you seen Bertauix links. The drinking of mens semen for power. Thats doesnt happen in Fall River all that happened in CHICAGO.
    Look at these guy diddlers from Chicago. That didnt happen in Fall River.

    Lets just wait and see what Floyd's truth is
    What movie, he will make it and it will suck. Especially by who is telling that. Floyd is using Bullshido for a platform. What kind of movie will Floyd make. What does he got a couple of boxes in his office. He has to steal someone footage to complete his movie.. Floyd Webb movie is gonna ruin him.

    And when Creedens father is deemed owner of the footage your problems are just starting. he will have to start all over again. And theirs nothing he can do about it at all. And all that money hes spending to go back again.

    Dude Floyd Webb I would throw in with Billy its the only chance you have. just my opinion.
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    I never believed somoene should be banned for stupidity but Lob Sing? Maybe.... Free speech is one thing, and people like Lob Sing test the limits of it. How many times does this guy have to be proven a dunce? He has been manhandled most recently by Vern.... Lob sing: "You would not understand the military." Vern: " I was in the military Lob Sing." OOOPPPS!!! And before that Lob SIng: "YOur teacher is a nobody" and we all know how that wound up!!

    Anyway Lob Sing you are a dunce! you have to be the most manhandled member on this board. nobody can own you because there is nothing left to own..... Quit while you are behind sir.... errrr! well you get the idea.


    PS Chris I am sorry man I cannot find the instant message with your number could you PM it to me again?
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    You should go ask Dwyer that one. Bombing dojo's for shake down money is illegal their Verne. So before you make stupid statements ask the Chicago guys first.
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    Stupid statement? Have you read your post lately? Once again you are taking things out of context to suit your needs. In a previous post I had indicated that in my opinion Chicago became fed up with the irresponsible and illegal behavior of "Dante". If Fall Rivers thought such to be normal respectful behavior and wished to worship such a person, what can I say.


    [quote=Lob Sing;2114063]
    Look at these guy diddlers from Chicago. That didnt happen in Fall River.[quote]

    No, what happened in Fall Rivers, (if one wants to believe you), is murder, rape, asault, robery and god only knows what else.


    Very Respectfully
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