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  1. GoldenJonas is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/16/2008 10:19pm

    Join us... or die
     Style: BJJ

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    American Top Team Atlanta is a DIRECT ATT affiliate. Jucao is an ATT-Pro Team Fighter

    Quote Originally Posted by From the ATT main website


    Roan 'Jucao' Carneiro
    12-8

    Roan Carneiro is a Brazilian jiu-Jits black belt.
    He has competed in the UFC and is an ADCC veteran.

    He joined American Top Team Jan. 14th, 20
    There is a world of difference between the training offered by Singer, at Hardcore, and Jucao, at ATT-Atlanta, than that offered by a TKD instructor who has obtained an "ATT Level 1 Certification".

    ATT-Atlanta and Hardcore are the places you go to if you have a serious interest in becoming a competitive MMA fighter.
  2. Tomas Drgon is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/17/2008 10:51pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by diesel_tke

    This is not going to hurt MMA. Because if you want to get good, you still have to put the time in. No substitution for hard work.
    The only thing this is going to do is increase the cashflow of whoever invented this scheme.
    It's not going to help MMA nor is it going to hurt MMA.

    You guys should stop rationalizing and admit that this is a pure moneymaking operation that has very little to do with the advancement of the sport.

    And there's nothing wrong with it as long as it keeps the customers happy.

    Stop pretending this is some kind of MMA charity.

    Tomas
    Last edited by Tomas Drgon; 12/17/2008 10:55pm at .
  3. chekoz77 is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/18/2008 4:22am

    Bullshido Newbie
     Style: BJJ,Muay Thai

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomas Drgon
    The only thing this is going to do is increase the cashflow of whoever invented this scheme.
    It's not going to help MMA nor is it going to hurt MMA.

    You guys should stop rationalizing and admit that this is a pure moneymaking operation that has very little to do with the advancement of the sport.

    And there's nothing wrong with it as long as it keeps the customers happy.

    Stop pretending this is some kind of MMA charity.

    Tomas
    That is true. Bottom line its all about the money. MMA is a big business right now and only growing. And thats the only reason alot of these top trainers are here. And can ya blame them??

    Anyone who matters and is smart enough to do the research will know the difference between the seminar guys and the real gyms anyways.
    Last edited by chekoz77; 12/18/2008 4:25am at .
  4. chingythingy is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/18/2008 12:02pm


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    This really isn't any different at all than the Gracies have done with their Gracie Combatives program, or Pat Militech has done with his affiliates.

    Yes, training in a "Level 1" or "Combatives" or affiliate program is not going to offer the same level training as coming up through or training with a main school center. But there's a market for it, and it could mean many traditional MA's actually start some ground work or MMA training.

    So reality is rather than whining about dilution of instruction, McDojoism, etc. it's better just to recognize that it's a reasonable "Tier 2" option. And know that a Gracie Combatives blue belt is going to get his ass kicked across the gym by any legitimate competition blue belt. The same would apply across the board in MMA - your local TKD black belt with a "Level 1" certificate from ATT is < a local trained amateur fighter from a fight team.

    I mean what else is a reasonable expectation? The TKD guy isn't going to close his school and send all his guys over to the local MMA school. Tier 2 is a decent option to at least bring the levels up a little.
  5. isol8d is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/18/2008 12:12pm


     Style: kung fu

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    Quote Originally Posted by chekoz77
    Just a speculation....but from what I have seen,It seems to be schools abusing the ATT certification and logo to draw students in. And not telling them they only took a 3 day beginner course.
    Where have you seen this? In Coconut Creek? That would be ballsy with the ATT school there....
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