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**Crowe** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 2:17pm

Originally Posted by Trubble

also... "eternal grand master" lee stated he found serious issues with the traditional taekwondo that existed at that time. noting specifically that initial forms did not include kicks and so forth. but it should be noted that the official first poomse in WTF is taekguk il-jang which does, in fact, have two front snap kicks. there seems to be more issues with ATA than any of the other major taekwondo federations

I thought Taeguk #1 (Il-Jahng) was just a sequence of block/punch combos in all directions, and Taeguk #2 (Ee-Jahng) had the snap kicks at the end. I did not come up in Taeguk but I think I rememebr at least that?

**DojangRat** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 2:20pm

ata is ****. my tkd master knows an ata master whos related to the 2nd rated ata fighter in the world. THE WORLD. and he came to sparring class one day and got his ass kicked by one of our black belts.

**Trubble** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 2:23pm

Originally Posted by Crowe

I thought Taeguk #1 (Il-Jahng) was just a sequence of block/punch combos in all directions, and Taeguk #2 (Ee-Jahng) had the snap kicks at the end. I did not come up in Taeguk but I think I rememebr at least that?

taeguek il-jang has two snap kicks - preceded by a high block and proceeded by a punch - in it's second to last sequence

http://www.natkd.com/movies/Forms/Ta...s/Taegeuk1.mpg

**Crowe** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 2:27pm

Originally Posted by DojangRat

ata is ****. my tkd master knows an ata master whos related to the 2nd rated ata fighter in the world. THE WORLD. and he came to sparring class one day and got his ass kicked by one of our black belts.

I don't argue that ATA fighting doesn't compare. There are many divisions (by age and rank) and not one single top fighter, but I still agree that anyone who is ranked so high should still be skilled. Do you remember the master or the student's name?

**Trubble** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 2:29pm

crowe, what exactly happens at these "state" and "regional" tourneys? how come i see so many "state", "regional", "national" champs walking around?

**Crowe** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 2:34pm

There are no regional champs, only state champs, which doesn't make sense to me because the tournaments are regional.

You see so many state champs walking around because there literally may be so few competitors for each division in each state. I see 50 year old grandmas get "state champ" because they went to a local tournament on a whim to support someone else in their family, enroll to compete and be the only one there, and then to their surprise months later be awarded State Champ because no one else her age or rank exists in the state of North Dakota (for example).

**Crowe** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 2:36pm

And I forgot to add that if she competes in all three divisions: Forms, Sparring, and Weapons, she becomes a TRIPLE CROWN Champion!! All for showing up one September and putting on an exhibition.

**Crowe** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 2:40pm

I'm sorry, let me clarify the way the circuit works.

Competitors are awarded points based on placing at competitions. Depending on the "ranking" of the event (number of attendees), placing may be worth MORE points. Points are doubled at National Championships and tripled at World Championships. Worlds marks the end of the tournament season on Friday and the start of the new one on Saturday.

At the end of the season, whoever has the highest point totals for each category per rank and age group is NAMED State Champion. There is no competition to determine.

The top ten point totals world-wide are seeded for competition at World Championships to determine the title of World Champion.

**Trubble** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 2:45pm

Originally Posted by Crowe

I'm sorry, let me clarify the way the circuit works.

Competitors are awarded points based on placing at competitions. Depending on the "ranking" of the event (number of attendees), placing may be worth MORE points. Points are doubled at National Championships and tripled at World Championships. Worlds marks the end of the tournament season on Friday and the start of the new one on Saturday.

At the end of the season, whoever has the highest point totals for each category per rank and age group is NAMED State Champion. There is no competition to determine.

The top ten point totals world-wide are seeded for competition at World Championships to determine the title of World Champion.

woah, another bullshit example of where title means absolutely NOTHING...

never got a chance to welcome you to the board. you'll find that people here are kinda brazen, rude, obnoxious, or complete fucktards... but they mean well. we actually respect hard work and true talent and skill... it's about blood, sweat, and tears here.