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    Aikido & BJJ Blackbelt discussion

    Video of a dude who is a black belt in Aikido AND BJJ taking about both styles. (Apparently the first to get to black belt in both?)

    I'm not as MA-youtube talk savvy as most of you warriors but it sounds like he makes some interesting conections.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yidj9ZoQeOI
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    Notice he mentions that aikidoka would have the advantage in learning BJJ - Not the other away around. I never heard hm say the reverse (not that I expected him too either)

    Not knocking the guys skills but he strikes me a little ghey - where's his skirt ?

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    Why did he see fit to name the person he studied Aikido under (and his teacher), but not who he studied BJJ under?

    Doesn't feel he's worth mentioning? That's pretty damn insulting to a guy who's probably given him close to a decade of training.

    Edit: http://www.roydeanacademy.com/instructors, Roy Harris.
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    I know a judoka who holds a fifth dan in Judo, and a second dan in Aikido. From what he's told me, Simio de las Rocas' point is right on the money - that an Aikidoka would benefit from the Newaza / BJJ training more than the other way around. It's likely to be more practically effective to stick to the more 'alive" art - such as BJJ or Judo.

    Having said that, i'm almost embarrassed to admit how frequently I've had to tap out to his wristlocks. Particularly on the ground, when trying to grip his lapel or sleeve, he takes advantage of it by grabbing the wrist with one hand, and cupping your elbow with the other and leaning in.

    Also, Aikidoka seem to have a different mindset; one that is counterproductive to judo/BJJ practice IMO. I've seen plenty of people get tooled by guys who were less technically proficient because they were too reactive rather than proactive. I imagine Aikidoka would have the same sort of trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadmeat
    've seen plenty of people get tooled by guys who were less technically proficient because they were too reactive rather than proactive.
    Funnily enough, but he says something quite similar near the end of his vid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadmeat
    I know a judoka who holds a fifth dan in Judo, and a second dan in Aikido. From what he's told me, Simio de las Rocas' point is right on the money - that an Aikidoka would benefit from the Newaza / BJJ training more than the other way around. It's likely to be more practically effective to stick to the more 'alive" art - such as BJJ or Judo.

    Having said that, i'm almost embarrassed to admit how frequently I've had to tap out to his wristlocks. Particularly on the ground, when trying to grip his lapel or sleeve, he takes advantage of it by grabbing the wrist with one hand, and cupping your elbow with the other and leaning in.

    Also, Aikidoka seem to have a different mindset; one that is counterproductive to judo/BJJ practice IMO. I've seen plenty of people get tooled by guys who were less technically proficient because they were too reactive rather than proactive. I imagine Aikidoka would have the same sort of trouble.
    I used to get wrist locked at a couple different schools by purple and brown belts, almost always while doing a good job defending an arm bar. I have done it to a couple people myself. They're not unique to aikido, in fact I'd bet good money that real grapplers have a far better chance of pulling them off than aikidoka ever would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lu Tze
    Funnily enough, but he says something quite similar near the end of his vid.
    Oh yeah, the part about getting choked out by blue belts. It's not only Aikidoka who have that problem either, I find.

    Some people have difficulty breaking that meek/polite/shy barrier. I've known competent strikers who are overly nervous when grappling, and are really quick to apologize if they clip you with an elbow or something when you're rolling.

    I've also known people who were decent grapplers but novice strikers who do the same thing when sparring with standup if they get a particularly good shot in.

    I think that's where aliveness really stands out - developing that ability to become truly comfortable with attacking, and being attacked. I hate that whole "flinch and hesitate" mentality. I went through it myself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebrous
    I used to get wrist locked at a couple different schools by purple and brown belts, almost always while doing a good job defending an arm bar. I have done it to a couple people myself. They're not unique to aikido, in fact I'd bet good money that real grapplers have a far better chance of pulling them off than aikidoka ever would.
    Couldn't agree more. It still leaves me a tad bitter everytime it happens though. At least I've never been on the receiving end of teh D34D1y kote-gaeshi (sp?) during judo randori. I don't know how I'd take that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadmeat
    Couldn't agree more. It still leaves me a tad bitter everytime it happens though. At least I've never been on the receiving end of teh D34D1y kote-gaeshi (sp?) during judo randori. I don't know how I'd take that.
    You'd take it quite well as the other guy would get hansoku-make.

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