It did make sense, because the fundamental differences to JJJ were already introduced by Judo (i.e. aliveness).
Originally Posted by crappler
The Gracies changed the focus, which arguably led to BJJ being what it is today true, although not because they're Brazilian (Judo is still more popular in Brazil than BJJ, so it obviously didn't magically morph of its own accord).
So your hypothesis is wrong on two counts, moron.
You're so close as well, the environment in which a martial art is practised does affect how it develops, but it has nothing to do with country or culture...
Machida's own website still calls what is taught at his family's Belem dojo (where he trains) "Shotokan Karate", and it's still listed as having JKA membership. Go and tell them what they do and don't teach.
This doesn't mean their style can't be called "Machida Karate"--just that they place "Machida Karate" within JKA Shotokan...until and unless THEY decide otherwise.
Given all the individuals who, with little justification, break off and found their own "styles", it's interesting that the Machidas--with more cause to do so legitimately--have not chosen this path.
It may be that they consider their Karate "the real deal". Given the two brothers' fighting records...
I love this website. It's like arguments are sparring and it doesn't matter whether you just throw garbage at people or not, they always feel like they scored on you because there are words on the page. Get it straight, the martial arts, wherever they go, are affected by the people and the cultures through which they are filtered. Brazil has one of the highest murder rates in the world, in one study being fourth from the top. It's no secret that a violent society might give rise to a new take on an old martial art. And it's not secret that individuals like Machida, or the Gracie's can interpret what they see. You are obviously one of those individuals who goes around making his own definitions, and then saying "ah, see, I'm right."
Originally Posted by Lu Tze
Save it, there are people who do it better than you.
All Machida really proves is that certain TMA's when trained with aliveness and practicality in mind can be made effective and keep their distinct "flavor"
I did some karate in Brazil when I was very young. I remember it being way different than what you see here in the US. First, we hit each other - quite hard. Second, fights broke out all the time. Brazil is a violent place - fighting and killing happen quite a bit. It's full of people who are more than willing to ask the question "what happens when we try this in a real fight". That's how BJJ changed judo, and how karate there is different than karate here. Send 100 shaolin monks into brazil and the Kung Fu that will come out 10 years later will be vastly different than what you see here in the US. Because fights will break out, people will use their kung fu for fighting, and will change the Kung Fu until it works.
This comes at a cost - Brazil's murder rate is one of the highest in the world.
Who is your daddy & what does he do?
Originally Posted by Odacon
If I had a penny for every karateka who said, "my place has the real", etc. I'd have bus fare into town, and if I had a penny for every one who got defensive and snarky when asked where they train, I'd have bus fare home. I wouldn't have much change for every time someone thought some of their business was over here, so thanks for the addition.
Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
Still, there were many other schools of Karate in Brazil that participated in Vale Tudo, Heroes of the Ring, etc. Machida can work his Shotokan game because he has his bases covered (MT, BJJ, Catch). I suspect an Aikidoka with a background in MT and BJJ could also work his game in MMA too. If he could bring himself to initiate, that is.
Originally Posted by PimpDawg
Are you seriously denying that Kyokushin kaikan is an effective stand-up art? Because this guy isn't saying he trains shotokan.
Originally Posted by Odacon