Zomg! Arts where you kick and punch will look similar to other arts where you kick and punch when doing padwork! You've unraveled the gordian knot! Everyone who says they train another art is lying and was actually trained by a time-traveling joe lewis!
Originally Posted by paulmn
But on the other hand there's a vast amount of karate in this: YouTube - L.Machida vs. T.Silva
"Machida's unique style is based on the hybrid karate style created by his father Yoshizo, who came to Brazil from Japan when he was 22 to test his karate skills.
Just five foot six, Machida Sr. adapted his own form of karate to combat bigger men. Plus it was based on times gone by, when opponents wielded a sword. One touch could be fatal. Lyoto Machida uses foot movement to avoid contact, ghosting in and out while looking for openings for his precise striking.
"The essence of martial arts is to inflict damage without receiving any," explains Yoshizo Machida. "And that's what we've trained and that's what he does in the ring."
In a sport filled with lead pipes, Lyoto Machida is a scalpel. Or the big brother you cannot touch in a scrap."
So while there may not be such a thing as "brazilian karate" Machida's karate IS different.
No you must disregard any previous art trained. The only one that counts is the last art you have taken.[/sarcasm]
Originally Posted by selfcritical
That argument made absolutely no sense. The central point, that the Gracies' changed what they learned, is indisputable and has nothing to do with beaches and statutes of Jesus, moron.
Originally Posted by Lu Tze
Honestly, while every teacher will have their own somewhat unique take on a style, the only thing I see that's significantly uncommon about Lyoto's Shotokan from most others is that he's practicing it for continuous full-contact. All the stuff about footwork, ghosting in-and-out of range, searching for a clean shot, and trying to avoid all damage to is pure basic Shotokan and nothing new.
Originally Posted by crappler
The quoted section above is what we call intelligent marketing, which he took one step further right before his fight against Rashad when he started calling it Machida Karate.
Frankly I don't blame him and would have done the exact same thing (but much sooner!); he's the one who put his ass on the line in the ring and his family name should get the fame, credit, money from DVDs, etc. not the JKA and other organizations who have been helping Shotokan to stagnate for the last 20 years and certainly not generic American krotty douchebags who do light contact pointsparring and claim the Shotokan banner because it sounds traditional and Japanese.
Well I don't know Shotokan. Where I got my Shodan we did Kyokushin style sparring combined with take-downs and submissions. I did Kempo in two places, and do Shorin-ryu now, and I've never seen any place that didn't have their own spin. And I find it difficult to believe that every Shotokan place teaches the same way as well. I've never done Karate where you are avoiding strikes like the plague. Are you saying Shotokan is like that?
Originally Posted by maofas
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Where do you train and what is the name of your instructor?
Originally Posted by crappler
Steve Curley, International Budo Academy.