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  1. Nickeroon1987 is offline

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    I only saw a double leg, which looked just fine.
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    It doesn't matter I'll tell you exactly what's going to happen. They go to this seminar. They believe they know what's what. They start teaching it and selling it to the public as experts......after just 1 seminar.

    Techniques taught by experts does not make the practitioner an expert.
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    The ATAers who took the ATA-MMA seminar were told NOT to teach it in their schools. They were told to take what they learned, practice it some more, go learn more about the stuff, and maybe down the road they could teach it.

    I'm glad the ATA is trying to expand their knowledge base, but I think they are going about it the wrong way.

    But yeah, for the price of the seminars I could get a few months training at a BJJ or MMA school. Better value. I don't need an ATA seminar to show me what it is about and to peak my interest.
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     Style: BJJ / freestyle wrestling

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    haha, with $350 i can pay my MMA gym for JUST UNDER a year.

    god bless/curse exchange rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shu2jack
    The ATAers who took the ATA-MMA seminar were told NOT to teach it in their schools. They were told to take what they learned, practice it some more, go learn more about the stuff, and maybe down the road they could teach it.
    Yes, can you tell us the time frame?

    Can you tell us if a contract was signed saying "x amount of years must pass?"

    I'm being serious, down the road can be anywhere from a few weeks to a few years. That is a ton of leeway.
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    Yes, can you tell us the time frame?

    Can you tell us if a contract was signed saying "x amount of years must pass?"

    I'm being serious, down the road can be anywhere from a few weeks to a few years. That is a ton of leeway.
    Isn't this what happened with Tatsuo Shimabuku of Isshinryu? He told Marines who had been studying a year or two something like, "here's a black belt...start wearing it in a few years. Call yourself a fourth degree a few years after that." They were done with their tour of duty on Okinawa and were going back to the States, and he wanted to give them some rank to work with. Didn't work out so great.

    The only question about this is, how will the ATA let students practice this new MMA training? If practice involves even medium contact strikes, combined with takedowns and submissions, in a competitive environment...well, that's the seeds of aliveness.

    Even complete idiots punching, kicking, clinching, wrestling, and throwing each other will learn SOMETHING more than if they did no-contact kicky-kicky point sparring.
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    If practice involves even medium contact strikes, combined with takedowns and submissions, in a competitive environment...well, that's the seeds of aliveness.
    There is a difference between me and friends learning something as opposed to TEACHING that same one seminar "aliveness" to others. That is the basis of my rather obvious questions.
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    There is a difference between me and friends learning something as opposed to TEACHING that same one seminar "aliveness" to others. That is the basis of my rather obvious questions.
    Absolutely. I think the problem here is the ATA model itself. Compare:

    Traditional Jujitsu method: Teacher teaches a technique, you learn and spar. Years pass. Eventually you teach those techniques.

    ATA method: Teacher teaches a technique. You trust it works. Years pass. Eventually you teach what you remember of the techniques that you haven't practiced versus a resisting opponent. Half of it is guesswork. There's a seminar on MMA/Krav Maga/new weapon/absolutely different fighting system. You teach these new techniques with the same confidence as the old ones!

    The inclusion of new techniques into the ATA seems broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    Yes, can you tell us the time frame?

    Can you tell us if a contract was signed saying "x amount of years must pass?"

    I'm being serious, down the road can be anywhere from a few weeks to a few years. That is a ton of leeway.

    As part of the liscense agreement to open up an ATA school or club, a school can not teach anything other than ATA TKD without written permission from ATA HQ. The ATA MMA seminar was not a certification course.

    Worst case scenario, ATA HQ wants them to attended (pay for) their Protech Groundfighting course before letting their untrained instructors teach this stuff. Best-case scenario, ATA HQ is generating interest for MMA (because many ATAers will not look outside their own school or organization), getting instructors to start seeking grappling training, and prepping the organization for a quality program.

    One of the trainers at the ATA-MMA seminar was an amature fighter from my region. Personally, I think the ATA should pick 2 or 3 people in each region to head up a grappling/MMA program. Have all the schools in the region come to their program heads for training over 3 years. After that, they are able to introduce grappling/MMA to their schools and the ATA could start a grappling division at their tournaments to encourage competition and raise the quality of the program.

    It would take longer, but I think it would do a better job of producing quality training.
  10. Ronin.74 is online now

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    Posted On:
    6/24/2008 10:13am


     Style: CMA,Muay Thai ,Yudo,TKD

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    Yes, that would be a reasonable approach.

    But hasn't the history of the ATA shown us that they are not very interested in taking a gradual approach that over time increases the quality of their programs, instead they seem more interested in fast tracking, which quickly improves the quality of their bank accounts?
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