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  1. Vince Tortelli is offline

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    Gotta agree with OB on this one....If Mir can't armbar Wes Simms, he ain't getting no steenking armbar on Lesnar. Now, leg locks, on the other hand, are a great way for a less powerful guy to defeat a monster....cue Shamrock/Kimo 1, Sudo/Butterbean, etc. etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega's Bitch
    Basically, if you can curl someone's bodyweight, you're effectively immune to armbars from that person.
    while that makes perfect sense, my n00b grappler mind must question...

    doesn't the amount of power (torque?) a person can generate with their hips/legs for the armbar influence how much strength you need to be immune to the technique of said person? like, not the same to curl dead weight as to curl weight that's also applying force against your movement, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega's Bitch
    I doubt Zulu is stronger than Lesnar. Sapp probably is, but I doubt he has the anaerobic endurance. Basically, if you can curl someone's bodyweight, you're effectively immune to armbars from that person.
    You're not curling against their bodyweight; you're curling against their hip extension.

    So basically if you can one-arm curl more than the person attempting to armbar you can deadlift, then yes, you're effectively immune to armbars from that person.

    I can deadlift 355 and I've never even dedicated nearly enough time to weight training as I should have. I'm willing to bet that

    A) Frank Mir can deadlift considerably more than I can, and
    B) Lesnar cannot one-arm-curl in the 400 lbs range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli
    Frank Mir, the man responsible for the most "average looking guy leg locks scary muthafucka"moments in MMA" right behind Ken Shamrock.



    You consider Mir and Shamrock "average looking guys"? Average for where, Cimmeria?
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    Well if you compare them to Pat Smith, Tank Abbot, Kimo, Tim Sylvia and Brock Lesnar...then yeah, they're average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatherdog
    You're not curling against their bodyweight; you're curling against their hip extension.

    So basically if you can one-arm curl more than the person attempting to armbar you can deadlift, then yes, you're effectively immune to armbars from that person.

    I can deadlift 355 and I've never even dedicated nearly enough time to weight training as I should have. I'm willing to bet that

    A) Frank Mir can deadlift considerably more than I can, and
    B) Lesnar cannot one-arm-curl in the 400 lbs range.

    Great, now tank abbot is going to be pointing out how he can armcurl hundreds of pounds, so you can't armbar him :qgreenjum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega's Bitch
    I doubt Zulu is stronger than Lesnar. Sapp probably is, but I doubt he has the anaerobic endurance. Basically, if you can curl someone's bodyweight, you're effectively immune to armbars from that person.
    No one can do a single arm 200+lbs bicep curl fast enough to stop an armbar by someone weighting 200lbs.

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    I dont see how its questionable Brocks dominance of Mir, before the announcer could finish the sentence "How long do you think it'll take for brock to takedown Mir!?" Mir was already on his back. Brock is just a big goober who got caught in a hail mary leg lock by Mir.

    Aside from that, I think Brock should face Kimbo after Kimbo eats Tank.
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    I wasn't implying that Lesnar's strong enough to be immune to Mir's armbars, in fact, I was hinting at the opposite.

    Anyway, I'm thinking a lot of you have not seen what happens when a 150 lbs man tries to armbar a 250 lbs man and the 250 lbs man uses the 150 lbs man as a club to beat on the wall and the ground.

    Also, what happens when the 250 guy just extends his arm really fast in an upward direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega's Bitch
    I wasn't implying that Lesnar's strong enough to be immune to Mir's armbars, in fact, I was hinting at the opposite.

    Anyway, I'm thinking a lot of you have not seen what happens when a 150 lbs man tries to armbar a 250 lbs man and the 250 lbs man uses the 150 lbs man as a club to beat on the wall and the ground.

    Also, what happens when the 250 guy just extends his arm really fast in an upward direction.
    I've been on both sides of that sort of weight disparity and well recognize reality. Mir, however, is not on the wrong side of such a disparity.

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