If I remember right, and itís been a few years since Iíve seen his forum, he encouraged studying Aikido beyond just a few moves he found useful. The problem with that is that Aikido sucks and gives its practitioners dangerous illusions about their abilities, so the best advice is avoid its dojos like the plague. You make a decent case for learning one or two particular wrist-locks, but for Aikido as a wholeó well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Originally Posted by Dsimon3387
He always struck me as an intelligent & educated guy, which isnít usually the type of guy who has lived the life Quinn has. My more limited advice is avoid dive bars and train at a good MMA gym.
Originally Posted by Dsimon3387
Shoot him an email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Originally Posted by GoldenJonas
He might appreciate the chance to respond to a thread about him.
At risk of being burned as a heretic, I'd say that you can learn a lot about how joints work (and can be dismantled) and such like from studying Aikido. As a whole fighting art it's, well, 'limited', in my opinion but there's learning to be had there.
Problem is all the other stuff that you usually find in Aikido places - the holier-than-thou attitide or what my mate calls 'Passive-Aggressive Tree-Hugging Hippy ****'.
Oh, and conversations like this get wearying after a time:
"Big guys can be a problem"
"Not for us. Aikido uses the opponent's wieght against him. The bigger he is, the more vulnerable."
"Umm, have you actually tried that?"
"I train twice a week."
"Yes, but have you TRIED that weight-against-him thing with a non-compliant big guy?"
"Of course not, he'd get hurt."
If you can get past that sort of thing - which is a problem with students rather than the art itself, there are some sound principles and useful techniques buried in Aikido. It can be learned from sure enough. It's just that most Aikido classes don't really have any idea what they're trying to do. They get lost in the 'non-violent martial art' thing.
Have I learned useful things from Aikido people? Yes.
Would I train in Aikido? Probably not.
Do I think I could use Aikido as it's usually taught for any useful purpose? Hell no.
If Peyton Quinn is saying that studying Aikido can be valuable, that's a fair point. I don't think he's saying becoming a typical aikido-ka is the way to ultimate badassness.
Originally Posted by BumFu
Most guys from our generation ( I am about Peyton's age) were taught to value a few techniques from ANY art and do them very well. Even the fighters of the day only used a few techniques. Thats just the way martial arts were studied. 'As far as the rest of Aikido.... well practicioners of the art and the stink of enlightenement do make it very unmartial.
You know I wish I had a nickel for everytime I told somoene to go to the type of establishment that is fun and safe.... I don't go to the type of bars I used to work in as a bouncer. It is good advice to train hard, properly and avoid danger.
Personally, I have read both of Quinn's books (barroom and real fighting) and found them insightful and informative, especially for those used to the more maintream view of MA. On his second book he even mentions his admiration at the up-and-coming UFC, where he mentions that, to his knowledge, it is the only tournament/event where there's real fighting going on and competition is not defined by points. I believe the book was published some time after the first couple of UFC's back when they were in tournament format. This demonstrates that, though his area of expertise is evidently focused on bouncing and not necessarily street fighting in general, he has the presence of mind to acknowledge a good thing when he sees it.
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