What point sparring should be - old Karate clip

**Goju - Joe** · Posted On: 1/15/2008 2:33pm

I have said before that point sparring started off as a training method to spar hard bare knuckles, as a training tool that allowed you to go hard without maiming each other.

The stop after one guy hits the other guy hard rule is just a saftey feature.

Once saftey equipment is added point sparring becomes the stupid mess it is today.

Anyways check out this old GoJu vid it's interresting, they're hitting each other hard and using GoJu Karate techniques.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nATJugzWTOE

**money** · Posted On: 1/15/2008 2:41pm

We're sorry, this video is no longer available.

Er, video link doesn't work?

**JohanSon** · Posted On: 1/15/2008 3:11pm

And the moral of this story is:

Video of good point sparing -> Sorry, video is not available.

**ray jackson** · Posted On: 1/15/2008 3:14pm

I didn't think that was good point sparring at all. Except for the first engagement, it quickly devolved into a crazy wild slap fest.

Also, how do gloves/pads make point sparring worse?

**lionknight** · Posted On: 1/15/2008 4:48pm

Vid is still their, you are just not allowed to embed it... try this (the link that is):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nATJugzWTOE

**jvjim** · Posted On: 1/15/2008 4:58pm

The intensity in great, looks like fun.

**Torakaka** · Posted On: 1/15/2008 5:04pm

"what point sparring should be is non-existent" -Kat

Thanks for once again reminding me never to listen to anything you have to say about martial arts, Soju Joe :)

**Odacon** · Posted On: 1/15/2008 5:08pm

That was flaily garbage, if you're going to shobu ippon Kumite, do it like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki4J2y687tM

**Goju - Joe** · Posted On: 1/15/2008 5:15pm

Originally Posted by ray jackson

I didn't think that was good point sparring at all. Except for the first engagement, it quickly devolved into a crazy wild slap fest.

Also, how do gloves/pads make point sparring worse?

My point regarding point sparring is that it's an effective way for BARE KNUCKLE training. Gloves and padding, - chest protectors and such remove some of the danger and pain.

Danger from breaking your hand and pain of being hit with the knuckles and such.

This doesnt mean I am knocking sparring with pads just that sparring while padded up is good practice for continuous sparring as it reduces your risk and damage.

As far as it denigrating in to slap and crapple. Again that's a result of hard bare knuckle fighting. After the first exchange neither guy wants to exchange and they try to hit with out getting hit and trip and throw the guy.

Also my point isn't that this video is an excellent example of great karate sparring.

Rather my point is that point sparring has it's place for alive bare knuckle training with self defense in mind. People on Bullshido often knock point sparring because it has become a game of tag. To me this is a result of the safety equipment.

The realities of sparring hard with equipment is different than without equipment and again my point is that point sparring was originally intended as a training tool for bare knuckle and reality based (since we don't walk around gloved and padded) fighting.

Ideally the best training uses point sparring like this. KK style no face punch sparring. Hard contact continuous sparring - with equipment and MMA / Sport JuJitsu style sparring with take downs and subs.

The goal being to make your martial art functional for real life application.

**Goju - Joe** · Posted On: 1/15/2008 5:22pm

Originally Posted by Odacon

That was flaily garbage, if you're going to shobu ippon Kumite, do it like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki4J2y687tM

That's better quality fighting.

The thing I found interesting about my clip was that it was old. And the point to that was before people padded up that's what the point of point sparring was. It just wasn't tip tap tag

There's also some old B@W Yamaguchi sparring vid I have to find and others