Thread: Oldtime Strongman
1/30/2008 6:18pm, #51Originally Posted by Arthyron
Simple, it's a partial bench press, not a full bench press. Both a shirted and unshirted benchpress are full bench presses. It is still the same movement, but it is only part of the movement. I do it for a very specific purpose. The purpose is not so I can do the most weight possible on the benchpress, it's to develop power for bending things with the arms partially extended (which is how most bends are done).
On matters of technicality, nothing else is changing about the lift except the fact that I'm forgoing part of the movement. The part of the movement that I AM doing, I am doing on my own without any aid (i.e. shirt, straps, gloves, etc). One could also do a parital benchpress with a shirt as well. The primary purpose of the shirt, of course, is to help at the bottom part of hte movement, but it will still aid you in partial movements as well. Even though part of the movement isn't done, it's still using the same weight apparatus in the same way. Hence, it is still a benchpress and though one COULD use things to aid them in it, I do it without these aids, and I do it not for the sake of increasing the amount of weight I can do, but for entirely unrelated purposes. Thus, it is consistent with the argument that I've been presenting.
You just agreed with me...???
Appeal to authority fallacy. Him simply saying it is doesn't change anything. He presents no other argument or evidence for this claim (at least none that we haven't already gone over here).Undisputed KING OF ASSHOLES.
3/03/2008 3:16am, #52Originally Posted by fatherdog
So using an apparatus to help you with a lift is bad if it's a shirt or straps but good if it's a rack or barbell, got it, that's totally consistent and not at all dumb or arbitrary
No, I noted that all the reasons you listed for using a barbell over a sandbag are equally valid reasons to use a shirt.
Appeal to authority is only a fallacy if authority is being used to contradict a logical argument. You are not offering a logical argument, you are making an assertion ("benching shirted is no different than unshirted in terms of technique") which I am contrasting with the assertion of someone who is much more knowledgeable about shirted benching than you are. Your sole response was "Well, he might be lying" which is, frankly, silly.
Regardless, my argument is a logical argument. You may disagree or have a counter argument, but it doesn't change the fact that my argument is a logical one, and thus it is most certainly an appeal to authority fallacy. Simply because he advocates the thing you are championing, it does not render your argument any more valid.
3/03/2008 1:10pm, #53
Ressurecting a month old thread to have the last word! You certainly showed meUndisputed KING OF ASSHOLES.