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  1. Tom Kagan is offline
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCS
    For instance, one of his challengers (Saburo Wakuta, aka Tenryu, Sumo champion) wrote himself:



    On another ocassion, Tenryu wrote:



    Various sources, including people who were there confirm this encounter. For instance Shigenobu Okumura, who was in Manchuria studying at Kenkoku University stated in an interview: "'Eventually, though, Tenryu started becoming a little too full of himself, so Ueshiba Sensei called him out. Tenryu really went after him, but before he could even engage, Ueshiba Sensei had already evaded him and applied a technique. I was there and saw the encounter with my own eyes."


    You shouldn't take the account of Tenryu and Okumura seriously. Ultranationalists supporting the superhuman feats of an ultranationalist involved with Japan's propaganda machine during the period prior to WWII isn't exactly a reliable account.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    You shouldn't take the account of Tenryu and Okumura seriously. Ultranationalists supporting the superhuman feats of an ultranationalist involved with Japan's propaganda machine during the period prior to WWII isn't exactly a reliable account.
    Ultranationalism aside (and you're absolutely correct about the political aspects of the issue), I don't see anything "superhuman" in a japanese military combatives instructor throwing a sumo wrestler. There was no mention to ki blasts nor things like that. Only speed, timing and going with the flow. The old "better technique compensates size disadvantage". Judo, BJJ, Boxing, Karate, etc are full of examples of this kind of "superhuman" abilities.
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