I used the original Zenedrine and can attest that the ECA stack works. I dropped alot of weight with it at the time, but like all things that work it has the potential to **** you up. Start slowly, increase dosage gradually and cycle it. Things to watch out for:
1- Total caffeine intake, meaning DON'T drink coffee and soda while taking it, the stack already has more then enough caffeine in it. If you can't go without your espresso then scale back your caffeine dosage.
2- It's mildly addictive (especially due to the caffeine) and when you cycle off it you will have a day or two of withdrawals (headache, mild nausea, etc)
3- If you feel any adverse effects (especially tings like tachycardia and constant nausea) discontinue immediately, it's not for you.
Like steroids it works but it's not for everybody and abusing it can kill you.
Guys we need to look at things in perspective here. Every society needs a bogeyman (or men) and ephedrine seems to fit the bill. The original post in this thread quotes an article stating something to the effect of the Tour de France was littered with bodies from stimulants. Littered with bodies???? I don't recall seeing that. In regards to another post that contained a link for the recipe for crystal meth. The recipe calls for psuedoephedrine not ephedrine. They are not the same and in fact psuedoephedrine is a common ingrediant in over the counter cold medications. Listed below are some stats from 2000 that show emergency room visits caused (in the eyes of the emergency room doctor) from drug abuse.
"According to the DAWN (Drug Abuse Warning Network) Detailed Emergency Department Tables of 2000, ephedrine seems to be very safe when compared to other drugs. These numbers reflect the number of mentions each drug received in regard to emergency room visits. Here's a quick list:
Drug Name - Number of Mentions
Acetaminophen (Tylenol) - 33,613
Alcohol-in-combination - 204,524
Ibuprofen (Advil) - 17,923
Aspirin - 15,657
Fluoxetine (Prozac) - 7,938
OTC sleep aids-Sominex/Nytol - 6,609
Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) - 6,270
Naproxen (Aleve) - 5,080
Caffeine - 1,674
Chlorpheniramine/aspirin - 1,116
Pseudoephedrine - 948 (A decongestant used in every cold/sinus formula around)
Ephedrine - 1,057
According to the DAWN Annual Medical Examiner Data of 1999, ephedrine seems to be much safer than many of the commonly used drugs. These numbers reflect the number of deaths per year in which a medical examiner mentioned the drug as a possible cause of death.
Drug Name - Number of Mentions
Alcohol-in-combination - 3,916
Codeine - 1,395
Marijuana - 670
Acetaminophen - 452
Lidocaine - 384
Fluoxetine - 305
Dextromethorphan - 132 (Used in MANY cold formulas as a cough suppressant)
Chlorpheniramine - 117 (Also used in many cold and sinus formulas as an antihistamine)
Aspirin - 104
Pseudoephedrine - 67
Ephedrine - 59
So, in short, commonly used drugs, even those given to children can be more dangerous, according to these statistics, than ephedrine and caffeine.
From my training log.
Did 4 mg (half-pill) of Ephedrine about 20 min or so before working out. Forgot to take it on the way to the gym, seems like 30 min is best before really feeling anything besides thirstiness. Bring extra water next time to counter the effects of ephedrine.
I must have worked out over 2 hours. I really felt a difference with the ephedrine, not a massive one but there clearly was a difference. Actually 'worked' during compared to creatine, which bloated me, made me tired but did help me recover noticeably faster.I think that 4 mg may be safe for a later evening class but 8mg might affect me too much. I'll probably try a 4 mg in the evening class and 8 mg next Saturday if I train then.
I'm 185 lbs. Should drink more water while doing it. No abnormal heart rate. Coming down wasn't bad, I was pretty tired the whole day anyways.
Context is everything. Fluoxetine is a anti-depressant.
Originally Posted by andrewa
What happens when you are depressed and suddenly you realize it and try to get help? Your entire world spins because you no longer have any idea what thoughts are your own and what is caused by the depression. This is before the Fluoxetine kicks in, because that takes a few weeks.
That's why you have higher suicide rates when people are on anti-depressants. Right after you start your world gets turned around and it can push you over the edge. That doesn't mean the drug is bad.
Hell, Marijuana is on there. Care to guess whether that's because someone OD'd on it or whether they decided to drive or some **** while high?
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