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  1. raystantz is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/03/2008 10:31am

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    Tifton, GA: Al Moore's Lionheart Martial Arts/Universal Fighting Systems

    hey guys, I am fairly new to the boards. I think this is an excellent resource for finding out exactly what is on the up and up, and what is not. I never knew some of these places and instructors existed until I found this site. With that in mind the following information is being given on a 2nd hand basis. All of the information was given to me by someone I know who attends the school, and is currently questioning the things that are going on. I don't attend this particular school, and have never done so. But I just wanted to see what kind of "overhead" outlook I get without divulging any practices that I have been told about. I just want to see what the average MA sees from the outside.

    My friend gave me the links to websites and such. Take a look, and feel free to comment on what kind of school you see, at first glance. Then I will go into more detail what I have been told about the school.

    http://www.lionhearttifton.com
    http://www.myspace.com/lionheartmartialarts

    and here is a link I dug up with some use of google, of the schools first MMA fighter in training. I'm not an expert in MMA so I can't comment on any of these videos.

    http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...elID=224699400

    What kind of school is my friend dealing with? Credible?

    Thanks
  2. Drunken Bear is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/03/2008 12:04pm


     Style: WHKD & Doce Pares

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    Mr. Moore's credentials scream bullshido. Prior to 2003, when he became a 5th Degree in Kenpo, he has no Kenpo listed.
    I can't be sure because I've never studied Modern Arnis, but to have an instructors cert before obtaining BB seems a little suspect.

    Of course there is also the whole "Christian Values" thing, which always throws red flags up for me.
    At least he doesn't have any pictures of 8 YO BBs in the phot gallery.
  3. TheMightyMcClaw is offline
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    Posted On:
    1/03/2008 12:39pm

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     Style: MMA

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    The "Christian Values" is a put off for me as well, but I'm a dirty godless heathen.
  4. bushi51 is offline
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    Posted On:
    1/03/2008 12:50pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    That website is a nightmare. What a joke of a school. Where is his Grappling Credentials? Oh he has none.
  5. jnp is offline
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    Posted On:
    1/03/2008 12:52pm

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     Style: BJJ, wrestling

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    Based on the pictures in their gallery, they have no business teaching anyone grappling. Since I suck at re-sizing pictures, click on the link below to see what I mean:

    http://lionhearttifton.com/gallery2/...geViewsIndex=1

    What the hell is he trying to do in that picture?
  6. raystantz is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/03/2008 1:04pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I think its worth noting that I was told that the kid in the video is training to fight his first real mma fight in like a month or something or so the myspace site says.
  7. CoffeeFan is offline
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    Posted On:
    1/03/2008 1:07pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp
    Based on the pictures in their gallery, they have no business teaching anyone grappling. Since I suck at re-sizing pictures, click on the link below to see what I mean:

    http://lionhearttifton.com/gallery2/...geViewsIndex=1

    What the hell is he trying to do in that picture?
    WTF? It looks like he's doing an crappling armbar but also hooking the leg for some reason. I shall dub this move The Shitastic Niinja Armbar!
  8. Kintanon is offline
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    Posted On:
    1/03/2008 1:32pm

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     Style: TKD, BJJ

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Maybe he got a hold of an Eddie Bravo book and that is a picture of him fucking up the 'Spider Web' armbar....
  9. Kung-Fu Joe is offline
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    Posted On:
    1/03/2008 1:40pm


     Style: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Woah, this guy OBVIOUSLY knows his stuff. I mean, just check out the way his students perform armbars! Only a master grappler knows the secret of the thumb-pointing-downward armlock!
    http://lionhearttifton.com/gallery2/...g2_itemId=2525

    --Joe
  10. Kintanon is offline
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    Posted On:
    1/03/2008 1:41pm

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     Style: TKD, BJJ

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    That armbar is t00 D34dLY for BJJ. That's why they teach the less effective thumb-pointing-upward armbar.
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