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  1. krazy kaju is offline
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    I'm not witty enough for this custom title.

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    Posted On:
    12/30/2007 4:55pm


     Style: In Hiatus

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    Catch Wrestling - Any use for groundfighting?

    After wrestling season, I have two options:

    Mondays - Catch
    Tuesdays - American Folkstyle (at my HS)
    Wednesdays - Catch
    Thursdays - American Folkstyle (at my HS)
    Fridays - Nothing

    *OR*

    Mondays - Nothing
    Tuesdays - Sub. Wrestling/BJJ
    Wednesdays - Judo
    Thursdays - Sub. Wrestling/BJJ
    Fridays - Sub. Wrestling/BJJ

    The unfortunate thing is that I join both the catch wrestling and the BJJ clubs, as that would constitute me driving over a half hour away 4 days a week (something I don't want to do b/c of gas).

    My question is: is catch wrestling a good MA to practice if you want to have good submission groundfighting abilities?

    From what I understand, catch wrestling includes pins and submissions. Wouldn't this mean no guard work, no guard passing, etc.?

    Should I choose doing BJJ over catch wrestling?
  2. Kentucky Fried Chokin is offline
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    Portrait of a BJJer as a Young Man

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    Posted On:
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     Style: BJJ

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    Yes, take BJJ over catch, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a BJJ nutrider.
  3. Boyd is offline
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    Posted On:
    12/30/2007 5:52pm

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     Style: Electricity, Speed

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    Catch wrestling is a fighting system founded on the principle of acting like a BJJ white belt for the entirety of your grappling career with a greater emphasis on jerky, untechnical submissions performed from obtuse angles liable to accidentally injure yourself or your partners.
    Captain's Log: Just a little update for all my TRUE and HONEST friends out there:

    1) I am STRAIGHT! I am STRAIGHT! Get it through your thick skulls, numbskulls!

    2) My name is not Ian Brandon Something.

    3) Kacey is coming with me now. I have stolen her from the other Christian Weston Chandler.

    REMINDER: I am still the one and only true creator of sonichu and rosechu electric hedgehog pokemon
  4. krazy kaju is offline
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    I'm not witty enough for this custom title.

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    Posted On:
    12/30/2007 6:29pm


     Style: In Hiatus

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    LOL, thanks Boyd.
  5. Blue Negation is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/30/2007 6:42pm


     Style: Judo, Sub wrestling

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    The problem of catch when versus BJJ/systems with a guard:
    assume for a second catch guy gets the takedown
    catch guy is not used to preventing someone from regaining guard (only rolling to belly) so he is quickly caught back in guard while fumbling for a clumsy "double wristlock"
    catch guy is not used to defending from the guard, tries to finish his "double wristlock" from inside the guard and gets swept
    catch guy follows his training and turns over to not put his back down
    catch guy gets his back taken
    catch guy is fucked

    there are an absurd number of catch wrestlers that come to train at my gym. They usually act like assholes and crank the utter noobs when we free roll (giving themselves away with their strange knowledge of neck and foot submissions despite having "never done grappling before") and get put up against a white belt with a few stripes where the above scenario plays out over and over and over again. The catch wrestlers usually don't come back.

    DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU
    LEARN REAL GRAPPLING
    Last edited by Blue Negation; 12/30/2007 6:44pm at .
  6. Roidie McDouchebag is offline
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Snatch Wrestling

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Catch wrestling is a fighting system founded on the principle of acting like a BJJ white belt for the entirety of your grappling career with a greater emphasis on jerky, untechnical submissions performed from obtuse angles liable to accidentally injure yourself or your partners.
    Speaking as a Catch Wrestler, this is entirely accurate.
  7. M-Tri is offline
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    Pseudo-Scrambler Extraordinaire

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    Posted On:
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     Style: Mixed Martial Arts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyd
    Catch wrestling is a fighting system founded on the principle of acting like a BJJ white belt for the entirety of your grappling career with a greater emphasis on jerky, untechnical submissions performed from obtuse angles liable to accidentally injure yourself or your partners.

    lol, best description ever :) Catch wrestlers are like highly trained goons
  8. Yojimbo1717 is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/01/2008 2:40am


     Style: Grappling & Lifting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracky McSlugHoot
    Speaking as a Catch Wrestler, this is entirely accurate.
    That was so awesome.

    Sakuraba is the only catch wrestler I can think of that has dominated the grappling aspect of MMA. He's cool - but I'd stick to BJJ.
  9. Roidie McDouchebag is offline
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    Posted On:
    1/01/2008 2:51am

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     Style: Snatch Wrestling

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    There are a few things I like to do that are Catch specific moves, a couple of neck cranks, some other ****, particularly, I like to bait people to go for the keylock while sidemounted on me, then explosively keylock them back. Most of the time, this'll allow me to spin out from under them, or let it go as I get to turtle then role for a kimura, but once in awhile, if you base yourself just right and your timing is perfect, you can tap someone, which is always comical. In general, however, my grappling is based mostly on learning MMA-style grappling (which I'm saying is it's own style, and I'm saying there's ONE proper way) position, position, position, base, ground/pound, simple submissions. I then took and developed a guard game (my instructor had one, which was submit/sweep or just don't be there) by trial and error.

    I've tried endlessly over the years to add to my arsenal by pirating cool **** I saw BJJ guys doing.
    Last edited by Roidie McDouchebag; 1/01/2008 2:57am at .
  10. Yojimbo1717 is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/01/2008 3:13am


     Style: Grappling & Lifting

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    Gotta say it - that's smart.

    Any videos or in-depth on moves?
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