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  1. Machete is offline
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    Strength training: I think I chose the wrong gym

    When it comes to strength training, I've come to the conclusion that I need help with my technique. I've tried reading online and watching videos, but I think I need actual coaching and my current gym doesn't provide a good enough service.

    I know my technique is bad because I'm spending a quarter of my time dealing with minor injuries. And I know its not because I'm lifting too much because I always err on the side of caution when it comes to how much I lift. (I'd rather lift too little than too much).

    In my eagerness to start training, I signed up to the closest gym without bothering to consider what kind of gym it is. My eyes were opened when I asked for instruction on how to snatch and I was shown a clean and jerk. I have a membership in a bodybuilders gym! Which is fine for people who want to bodybuild, but that's not for me.

    So I want to know, How did you learn how to do various strength buiding exercises? Are they're special gyms where you can learn? Will I need to hire a coach?

    I want to keep strength training, but I want to do it correctly and safely.
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    Find a powerlifting gym to work on your big 3 technique and a weightlifting gym if you want to work on your oly lifts. If you cant find an weightlifting gym, most crossfit trainers have done courses on how to teach olympic lifts so will be able to show you. May cost you a bit though.
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    Hire a reputable trainer for sure, and good on you for knowing when you need to ask for help.
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    Posted On:
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    A bodybuilding gym is not that bad if you can find someone that knows that the heck they are doing. Try to find a crossfit gym/group in your area btw.

    Also, what exactly are your goals, besides the obvious strenght gains - injuries? Are you trying to learn olympic lifts? Also, what other lifts are you familiar with (squats, deadlifts)? And what type of injuries do you incur most often?
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    12/21/2007 3:36pm

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    I've ordered a copy of starting strength and I've emailed Crossfit London to find out if they are running any courses/classes/seminars that would benefit me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    A bodybuilding gym is not that bad if you can find someone that knows that the heck they are doing. Try to find a crossfit gym/group in your area btw.

    Also, what exactly are your goals, besides the obvious strenght gains - injuries? Are you trying to learn olympic lifts? Also, what other lifts are you familiar with (squats, deadlifts)? And what type of injuries do you incur most often?
    My goals are explosive and functional strength.

    I would like to learn olympic lifts because I believe (perhaps mistakenly) that olympic lifts use a large number of muscle groups in conjuction with one another. (I don't like exercises that train muscles in isolation).

    I am familiar with squats and deadlifts. But I don't know if I'm doing them right. For example, I may be unaware that my back is rounded when I deadlift.

    Most of my injuries are upper back and shoulders. Because of this I suspect that my technique may be poorest when I do various lifts that bring weight overhead and place pressure on those areas, e.g. behind the neck press.
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    Good way to tell if you're rounding your back is to make sure you look up through out the deadlift. Another good way is to record yourself and analyze the lift.

    Don't worry about functional strength, if you get strong, it will function. Olympic and power lifts will be good for your Muay Thai.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emevas
    Good way to tell if you're rounding your back is to make sure you look up through out the deadlift. Another good way is to record yourself and analyze the lift.

    Don't worry about functional strength, if you get strong, it will function. Olympic and power lifts will be good for your Muay Thai.
    Thanks for the advice. If I can overcome my introverted nature, I will take a video camera with me when I train like you did with your deadlift video.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emevas
    Good way to tell if you're rounding your back is to make sure you look up through out the deadlift. Another good way is to record yourself and analyze the lift.
    Mirrors in the gym can help as well, you just need to make sure you don't start doing poor technique just so you can look at yourself in the mirror.

    My Uni gym is hopeless, I don't think half the trainers there would know what a squat was if I asked them, I was lucky enough to be friends with a guy that used to be a body builder and he helped me out quite a bit.
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    Posted On:
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    Mirrors are ok for certain exercises, but with squats and deadlifts, you're prolly gonna wreck form trying to watch and lift at the same time unless the load is too light to really be effective.
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