Another funny thing is I worked with the instructor at the state fair almost a year after i quit. he would ocasionaly brag to people about how he trained me in TKD even though i went for only two weeks.
Hey guys, I thought this thread would be a good start for my first post. I trained trained rhee tae kwon do for five years when i was very young, got to 1st grade, which most of you probably know is one down from black belt. Here is why i quit:
- my mother got to brown belt even though i could run three circles around her before her punch fully extended
- i always used take downs and grappling techniques in street fights because they were the only moves practiced with the slightest resistance. They were probably about 5% of the total syllabus and were only taught at my level.
- their knife defense techniques were so stupid i could even see they didnt work as a gullible ten year old
- i used a sidekick against a guy who tried to mug me. It was very effective and he was on the ground for quite a while. Too bad i was so conflicted about the whole "only in self defense" code of honor bs that i did absolutely nothing while he regained his strength and ran at me with a shitload of punches and headbutts. I still won, but the fight could have been like three seconds long if my instructors had taken five seconds to explain to me that once you ARE defending yourself you need to be totally ruthless. By the way this guy was ARMED before i kicked him, but dropped the weapon and probably never intended to use it. You can see how this could have been very ugly!
- the weak defensive mentality also fucked up my game in a whole bunch of schoolyard fights where i kicked or grounded an opponent, then expecting to have won respect, went to help them up and make peace only to have them slug me in the back of the head while walking away
- i was training for 'junior black belt' at 12 years old, i would have to break boards with flying jumping spinning kicks and all that nonsense. I was very excited about the prospect until we trained with another club and i had the chance to (non contact) spar some of these legendary junior black belts. They were absolutely useless and i landed several hits, not cos i was being an asshole but because i honestly thought they would be blocked. I made one of them cry. If my last points werent enough, this experience totally shattered any faith i had in this martial art.
- despite being in several fights, i NEVER punched anybody in the face the entire time i was training, i was SCARED to knock teeth out and hurt people even though i had very good reaction time and was certainly capable of doing so. Again i still usually won, but i could have done it quicker if i had the balls to use what i'd trained, which i would have had even with limited contact sparring, but we trained NONE AT ALL.
Now to be fair:
- if you DO land a TKD kick in a fight it will hurt the opponent ALOT
- non contact does teach reaction time and not to be afraid on punches, this meant even when i failed to block punches in fights my body didnt flinch and the hit did minimal damage
- at least my school TRIED to do grappling and knife defence
- at gradings, which were done personally by master chungchol rhee, i would often hide and eavesdrop when he told everyone but the black belts to leave the room and i learned he was VERY pissed off at their poor technique and lack of combative training, leading me to believe that in korea tkd is way more hardcore. Its too bad he only expressed his disappointment to black belts while we were out of the room, but i don't blame him, he woulda lost thousands if he straight out told us we couldnt fight.
there's my two cents! if someone wants to start a 'why dont you train traditional jujutsu anymore' thread i will also have alot to say :)
Originally Posted by godfighter666
You reminded me of a funny thing I was once told by a TKD instructor: "We don't train punches, because anyone can punch. You use your hands all the time, but you don't do spinning or jumping kicks during the day normally, so that's why we work on those in class."
LOLZ! That's a funny quote.
Originally Posted by Leushenko
Here's what I'd say to the guy:
Any one can punch, but can they punch correctly? Same goes with kicks
I don't know about you, but I always use my feet every day, to walk, mind you.
Sometimes I'll spin or jump, but that doesn't translate over to me being able to do a good kick now does it? Same with what you do with your hands.
Just because you use them every day doesn't mean you can properly punch. To properly do something, you must always be trained in it, no matter what it is.
Hi GodFighter, I heard lots of stories about Rhee TKD when I lived in Aus - what were your impressions of the club/style? People I met who had trained with them (admittedly only a few) told me that there was quite the personality cult built around Rhee, and that the org was very insular - that not only was cross training banned, but they were discouraged from even reading about other styles. I find them kind of interesting, as they went from being the biggest club/org/whatever in the country in the 70s and 80s, and now (or at least last time I checked) they're really quite tiny.
This is my first post on this site, and this topic jumped right out at me, because this is a subject I've been struggling with for a while.
When I was 14 I started training in Taekwondo. I was an out of shape, fat actually, anti-social kid nearing on depression and for some reason one day I had the idea that I wanted to try Taekwondo.
My club was run by an excellent TKD trainer. I started going once or twice a week, and soon I was hooked and went to classes every week, joined the competition team and demonstration team. I lost 30lbs, my cardio was dramatically improved, I was happier, more social, and more confident in everything I did, great right?
Well, at this point I was 18 and I got into a bit of a sparring match once with a sort-of-friend who trained in some form of Karate. Needless to say, he wiped the floor with me. The sad part was that he wasn't any good. He was in miserable shape and was so inflexible I thought if he did the splits, he'd break. It just was that his style perfectly matched mine. And then I realized.. most did. I could crush many people in TKD but had no chance in the real world. Although I was primarily interested in TKD for sport reasons, I still didn't like to learn this at all.
I immediately searched for another club to expand my skills. It turns out that in my city, belt factories were a dime a dozen, and the best way to learn to fight was in a weight room talking to people about recent bar fights. I experimented with Brazilian JiuJitsu, Kenpo, Wrestling, kickboxing, and other TKD clubs, nothing fit, nothing felt as good to train in as TKD.
I was about to go back to the same club when I read in the newspaper that my TKD master was arrested for Child pornography charges. This incident you can read about on this site. This completely destroyed any remnant of wanting to learn martial arts. I don't know why, but I simply can't bring myself back to train anywhere I have tried. But, I am still looking.
I hate kata.
My hands are my best asset.
Well I can't say for a fact cross training was discouraged because I was young and never asked. Me and the other young kids did believe a whole lot of stupid **** about master rhee, but we mostly came to these conclusions ourselves, wanting to believe our martial arts could give us super powers and what not. However, in retrospect, it was a bit of a closed minded school with little thought to combat applications and no discussion about what other styles are out there and strengths and weaknesses etc. Also, its not a kicking only style, its more similar to karate than what most people think of as taekwondo. When I watched the 1996 olympics and saw the TKD all i could think was 'throw a goddamn punch wtf'. There are alot of complex kungfu like movements in the forms (which we called 'patterns') but the only moves we practiced actually using were the karate style moves upper-lower-inner-outer forearm blocks, punches, knifehands, spearfingers, front side turning hooking and crescent kicks. While it was fun at the time I could have learned all those moves without bothering with lame katas and a belt system that in no way reflects fighting ability!
Originally Posted by retrograde
Just another quick story before I finish running my mouth. While I was a 1st grade and had a good 4 or 5 years training under my belt, I checked out a wing chun expo at the newcastle show. An old mate of mine was there and he'd been training about a month. I threw endless amounts of attacks at him only to have them blocked effortlessly and countered before I could blink. Now flash forward to last year, I'd been training kickboxing for a year and a half and a had a friendly non contact spar with another mate who'd been getting private lessons in wing chun for the last five or six years. Everytime he blocked a punch I landed about five, mostly straights, then he blocked a thai kick with his arm!
Originally Posted by godfighter666
I know when you said "grade" you meant your rank in TKD, but I could not help but think,
"Damn! Already 5 years of training and he's not even over the age of 10!"
I got more to add about my experience in TKD. Quite a while ago I posted here describing why I was not too fond of TKD anymore, and it just keeps growing.
I don't regret my past training, it was a lot of fun, but my school seems to be geared more towards just making me past my BB test doing one-steps, forms, etc., but with no emphasis on sparring. This rule goes for the other ranks as well from what I have experienced: little to no sparring, only patterns, kicking drills, moves across the room, etc.
Even when I do get the chance, we are always limited by the point sparring rules, and I barely ever get to go hard on anyone, because my class has people 5 yrs. younger, 30 lbs. less, or not as skilled as I am.
I do only get to go hard when I am at the actual TKD school (usually, I train in a middle school gym, not the, TKD building a block away), because there are people my skill level are over, but still, many of the black belts may tell me and whoever I am sparring to "lighten up", because they don't want to see anybody get hurt.
Because of this hinderance, I will most likely start to train at a BJJ/Muay Thai/MMA school not to far from my house after I get my TKD BB and my license later on in my senior year, since it's really cheap for what they offer ($85/mo. for 3days/week of BJJ or MT).
I won't stop training at my TKD school though, because I help out with our kids program on Mondays (I plan to become a preschool teacher since I am great with little kids), and because judo is taught on Thursdays by a Marines judo champ.
Though I have much respect for TKD and my TKD teacher, I have started to stray from it, largely due to the fact that it doesn't fit my personal style of stand up: I have always been a fan of punches and low kicks, and have always preferred to stay in clinch range as well.
Hopefully, I will start to train in the BJJ/MT school soon, but it will have to wait after I get BB.
I know my martial arts future look bright, thanks to the fact I have found a great MMA/BJJ school for a good price near me.
And with that, I'm done.
With best regards,
For the record I was 7 years old going on 8 when I started, when I sparred with the wing chun guy I was about 13.
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