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  1. TheMarquis is offline

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    How much is enough... and too little?

    Firstly, my humble apologies if this seems to be in the wrong place.
    But I can assure you that it's a fairly major concern for me.

    It's about the pricing of Ma classes in the UK.

    From what I can gather - and please correct me if I have got the wrong idea here - most MA classes that are done by people, isn't their primary source of income.
    That is, there's another job going in their lives which is the bread maker. MA is usually done due to their enjoyment of the subject and to add a bit more pocket money into their lives.

    So - my question with this in mind...

    How come MA classes that I've looked into seem to cost a noteable wad of cash for what they teach?

    I won't 'name and shame' some I've come across - as currently I do not know of the 'going rate'.

    One I'm looking at seems to ask a hell of a lot of cash -

    540 per year a head in some cases.

    I mean do the maths.... again from what I've been told the average size of one class is around the 15 student mark.

    that means that the above figures would mean that with just two classes a week...

    The instructor gets 16,200 a year. :disgust:

    Which to seem seems like a (pretty dammed decent) total income and NOT a just an extra thing done for the love of it, or to earn a bit more 'pocket money'.....
    I know in Bedfordshire there are some prices that are overly pushed (house prices a prime example), but it seems that there's a very McDojo ideology going on here.

    If there's anyone who has information to bring this observation into disrepute - then I would love to be proved wrong on this one.
    I don't really want to start a new year with a 45 PCM cost to fork out, just for the 'privilage' of doing an MA that's more local than having to drive for miles and miles.
  2. Askari is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/22/2007 6:30pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarquis
    540 per year a head in some cases.

    I mean do the maths.... again from what I've been told the average size of one class is around the 15 student mark.

    that means that the above figures would mean that with just two classes a week...

    The instructor gets 16,200 a year. :disgust:
    540 is just over $1000 CAD, which is about the going rate for a lot of clubs here. A few questions you need to ask yourself.

    How much does this instructor pay in rent?

    How much does he pay for the equipment at the club?

    How much does he pay for his own training to keep improving while he helps his students?

    How much does it cost him to drive to the club?

    How much does he pay for advertising.

    **** man, it is expensive to run a club for such a small group. If the guy is able to keep the doors open with only 15 students and its a good club more power to him.
    "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't **** with me!"
  3. CanucKyokushin is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/22/2007 6:48pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarquis
    Firstly, my humble apologies if this seems to be in the wrong place.
    But I can assure you that it's a fairly major concern for me.

    It's about the pricing of Ma classes in the UK.

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    No one is twisting your arm here.If you find that 540 pounds is not worth it for you than go find something else cheaper.

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  4. Cdnronin is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/22/2007 7:16pm


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    Askari covers most of the main points, what is actually left for the instructor after overhead(rent, utilities, insurance). Unless the class is taught in a community center or something similar, the instructor is paying rent for 7 days a week, even if he is only teaching twice a week.

    Another thing to consider is peopel have this wierd idea with pricing. If the price is much lower than the usual prices, many folks won't think it is worth while. If you charge more, it must be valuable. Perception makes a big difference.
  5. TheMarquis is offline

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    12/22/2007 7:24pm


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    well, thankyou all for you comments and input.
    It does seem like my original preceptions where a little out of touch...

    It's this kind of details that, sadly I think have been overlooked.

    I'm glad I asked the questions though.

    After all answers are usually a much better option than asumptions.

    And Yes Askari - you have made some VERY valid points.

    And despite the slight feeling of having egg in the facial area - this is all good info.

    Cheers.
  6. Roidie McDouchebag is offline
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    Posted On:
    12/23/2007 4:27am

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    In North America, the reverse is true. Most MA instructors do it for a living and charge MORE than $1000/year. The average in my town is $1340/year...stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

    I WISH that it were as it is in the UK, here.
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    Posted On:
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    Reputable MA instructors also carry insurance. It isn't cheap.
  8. Askari is offline

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    12/23/2007 9:19am


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarquis
    well, thankyou all for you comments and input.
    It does seem like my original preceptions where a little out of touch...
    No problem, here to help.
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    Posted On:
    12/23/2007 4:57pm

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    Reputable MA instructors also carry insurance.
    HEY! STFU!
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    Posted On:
    12/24/2007 11:21pm


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    Try this place Marquis
    Carlson Gracie Mataleao (Luton)
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