the Brazilians are restless in OKC

**KweiKweg** · Posted On: 12/22/2007 9:12am

I have to say, that the Bruce was my idol as a kid... especially after watching him tear a mans pony-braid off and beat him down with it... so hey, I figured id go check out a good JKD class where I live in OKC... all that I found was 'Brazilian Judo' 'Vale Tudo' taught by none other than Raphael Lovato, a self claimed student of Dan Inosanto, which he very well could be, I dunno...
So I walk in and introduce myself and check out the class, and talked a bit with 'ol Raph.. who quickly tells me that he will have a background check performed on me, ( to make sure he didnt pass on his deadly schooling to the wrong sort of peeps, according to him) and just stares at my hair, ( of which I had none, typical USMC hairdo) I also quickly noticed I was the only white dude besides one of his students, and also noticed that there were only a couple of english speaking people present, though I said nothing of the above. He quickly asks me if I am a Skinhead, and proceeds to say that if he had a dollar for everytime he was called a 'spic' growing up on the tuff streets of Chi-town, that he would be a rich, rich man. I was quick to mention that I said nothing of race, racism, hate, etc. and that if I had a dollar for everytime someone asked me if I was a Skinhead, I would be wealthy as well. He then stops the class and they all form up behind him with combative stances and surly, non-english speaking glares. I dunno if they could understand what HE was talking about. So, rather than continue this redundant cycle of HIS obvious problem, I told him Id give him a call sometime, and just left. When I was leaving to get to my truck, I noticed most of the cars there had **** like "Brown Pride" and latin flags stickers on them, which surely is a mans right to put on his own vehicle. But after having this totally unexpected conversation with the Lovato in his 'officina' isnt he the one that truly seems to have issues?

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 12/22/2007 9:56am

Interesting story, and I've known some nutcase like the one you are describing. It is something very regretable to find people like that.

However, this begs the question: what the hell does this has to do with the topics discussed in this forum?

It is clearly stated on the top what this forum is supposed to be for:

Weapons and weapons tactics, Self Defense, Military and Law Enforcement discussion

Does your story has anything to do with weapons, weapons tactics, self defense, military and law enforcement discussions? Or did you just happened to post without caring to read the rules and instructions?

There are forums here for posting this type of stories. This one isn't.

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 12/22/2007 10:05am

I'll move it.

**auschip** · Posted On: 12/31/2007 10:09am

He then stops the class and they all form up behind him with combative stances and surly, non-english speaking glares.

wtf is a "Surly, non-english speaking glare"?

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 12/31/2007 10:28am

oh, that was just an expression of his inner-trolling xenophobic id :tongue6:

**Kid Miracleman** · Posted On: 12/31/2007 12:55pm

Someone has GOT to do something about all those Mexicans. They're out of control, I tell you.

Hey wait, what are you-- hey let go! What are you doing? No, you idiot, I'm a citizen, I was born in Tex-OW! What the hell was that for?! No, let go! Why are you putting me in that truck? Why are putting me in that truck?! You can't do this to me! "Papers?" What papers, you idiot, I'm a U.S. citiz-OW!!

**quietamerican** · Posted On: 12/31/2007 4:56pm

Originally Posted by KweiKweg

I have to say, that the Bruce was my idol as a kid... especially after watching him tear a mans pony-braid off and beat him down with it... so hey, I figured id go check out a good JKD class where I live in OKC... all that I found was 'Brazilian Judo' 'Vale Tudo' taught by none other than Raphael Lovato, a self claimed student of Dan Inosanto, which he very well could be, I dunno...
So I walk in and introduce myself and check out the class, and talked a bit with 'ol Raph.. who quickly tells me that he will have a background check performed on me, ( to make sure he didnt pass on his deadly schooling to the wrong sort of peeps, according to him) and just stares at my hair, ( of which I had none, typical USMC hairdo) I also quickly noticed I was the only white dude besides one of his students, and also noticed that there were only a couple of english speaking people present, though I said nothing of the above. He quickly asks me if I am a Skinhead, and proceeds to say that if he had a dollar for everytime he was called a 'spic' growing up on the tuff streets of Chi-town, that he would be a rich, rich man. I was quick to mention that I said nothing of race, racism, hate, etc. and that if I had a dollar for everytime someone asked me if I was a Skinhead, I would be wealthy as well. He then stops the class and they all form up behind him with combative stances and surly, non-english speaking glares. I dunno if they could understand what HE was talking about. So, rather than continue this redundant cycle of HIS obvious problem, I told him Id give him a call sometime, and just left. When I was leaving to get to my truck, I noticed most of the cars there had **** like "Brown Pride" and latin flags stickers on them, which surely is a mans right to put on his own vehicle. But after having this totally unexpected conversation with the Lovato in his 'officina' isnt he the one that truly seems to have issues?

I can speak to this issue. I have taken one private lesson and one class from Raphael Lovato, and would take more if it did not involve 4 hours of driving. A close friend and training partner goes to Lovato's every month or so for private lessons. I am not a regular student at his school, and have no vested interest in defending him.

That said, my experience at Lovato's was completely opposite from that of the OP. I found both Lovato and his students to be friendly and helpful. I can't remember seeing anyone there who looked Brazilian. At the class I attended, there were perhaps a dozen students, most if not all of them white. I did not see any "Brown Pride" or other stickers on cars in the parking lot (although the school is in a kind of sketchy area). I went with two friends, one white and one black (I am white). All of us have shaved heads. Lovato made no reference to our haircuts. In fact he made no reference to anything but BJJ. We found the instruction to be excellent. I was not aware that Lovato taught JKD, and while at the school I saw nothing to indicate such.

**FUNKtastic** · Posted On: 1/01/2008 5:49am

[quote=quietamerican] I can't remember seeing anyone there who looked Brazilian. quote]\

What do you mean when you say "looked Brazilian"? The country runs the gambit with about whites, mestizos, blacks, and asians. If memory serves, whites are nearly 50% of the population.