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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc
    Well, in this case, no deleted threads....

    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...&postcount=555

    That's his own post, it isn't edited. Does that look like "Ross challenged me"?

    I'm off to do some other stuff, but to me that's clearly a LIE

    Just like the "adopted as a young boy" and other things that have been said in this thread already
    You know we are now getting into semantics. I'm talking about everything, all the claims, when I'm typing.

    You seem focused on the challenge which isn't the whole point of your claim of bullshido.

    The only issue with the challenges is that they appear to be DISTRACTIONS from discussing the issues.
    You keep going back to that now.

    I've specifically stayed off the challenge and even asked specific areas to look at for his claims.
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    Don't you see? It is just another LIE

    "Ross challenged me" - then look at the post, that's a lie

    "I have had schools since I was 17" - he met CTS at age 24, at the time he did't have a school

    "I was adopted as a young boy" - he met CTS at 24, was adopted at 26

    "I met CTS in the 1980's" - According to Mike, who introduced Gus to CTS, they first met in LATE 90.

    "I was 2 time full contact champion" - between 90/91 and when we last dealt with him (around 96?) he never mentioned this, in fact he told us teh OPPOSITE, that kung fu wasn't about sports so he never competed

    There is a thread I linked to where he said he never claimed that he had 10 black belts, then someone pointed to his web page, then he said he wasn't responsible for his web page, GROAN!

    Even with the many "vague" things or things that you can't prove, etc etc there is still a pretty clear pattern of lying and a clearer pattern of evasion

    signed NOT Rafael LOL
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    Oh, so youre David Ross. So you are listed as one of CTS's main students along with Ventura, Inno and Rafael...so whats your beef? Just that Gus is exaggerating his qualifications? But Gus isnt on that website listing him as a main student so who cares what he says.
    People don't want their arts to look bad. You know like the way BJJ and GJJ police their ranks with an iron fist. It is nothing new and will always exist.

    I find your derailing kind of funny remember this?
    "McDojo=Have it your way. You know everything under one roof. One guy teaching every art under the sun like TKD, Karate, Kung Fu, MT, Cardio KB, grappling, Little ninjas, and outrageous contracts and prices."

    Isn't that what they call JEET KUNE DO?

    See www.lindenhurstmartialarts.com
    As for JKD, yes, it's not in and of itself BS...I practice it...but schools around here call themselves JKD when they throw in many arts----you are now seeing this with MMA---but THATS ANOTHER TOPIC.
    That school's antics bothered you because, they claimed your style. Now, take that a step further and imagine it isn't just a name but someone you respected and trained under for decades.

    Hopefully, it makes sense now if not, you need help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc
    Don't you see? It is just another LIE

    "Ross challenged me" - then look at the post, that's a lie

    "I have had schools since I was 17" - he met CTS at age 24, at the time he did't have a school

    "I was adopted as a young boy" - he met CTS at 24, was adopted at 26

    "I met CTS in the 1980's" - According to Mike, who introduced Gus to CTS, they first met in LATE 90.

    "I was 2 time full contact champion" - between 90/91 and when we last dealt with him (around 96?) he never mentioned this, in fact he told us teh OPPOSITE, that kung fu wasn't about sports so he never competed

    There is a thread I linked to where he said he never claimed that he had 10 black belts, then someone pointed to his web page, then he said he wasn't responsible for his web page, GROAN!

    Even with the many "vague" things or things that you can't prove, etc etc there is still a pretty clear pattern of lying and a clearer pattern of evasion

    signed NOT Rafael LOL
    I understand this. Claims about the 10 BB, the actual cache to the 6 year old adopted son, the Hall of Fame name he claims, a linage chart, letters from CTS, pictures of you guys pre-Gus.

    Concrete things to set up a time line. I understand you expected something different here (MABS) but, it has changed in the last year and a half.
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    I understand this. Claims about the 10 BB, the actual cache to the 6 year old adopted son, the Hall of Fame name he claims, a linage chart, letters from CTS, pictures of you guys pre-Gus.

    Concrete things to set up a time line. I understand you expected something different here (MABS) but, it has changed in the last year and a half.
    so, which is it? YOu see the pattern of lies or because there isn't a "smoking gun" document that puts it in black and white it still never counts?

    I think even sambo steve saw the pattern? Are you saying that his own words contradicting himself are indicative of anything?????
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    Here, see if this is what you are looking for

    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...3&d=1197862641
    That's me, with Steve Ventura, and CTs, in teh Chan family association in 1986. That is 4 years before Gus ever met CTS

    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...8&d=1123265185
    CTS had me running his "basics" class before anyone got to study with him. This is the traditional sifu/student posing, if you know the "family" you might find this pic funny!


    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...5&d=1197862673
    This is Tat Wong's tournament in SF. Gus did forms, told me it was the first time he had ever entered a tournament. Mike did the sparring. I didn't actually compete that one

    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...4&d=1197862658
    This is NACMAF tournament in 1991. I am in there, so is Mike and Gus. Gus told me that was the second time he ever competed. It was in forms. Mike and I did the sparring, which was like Kyokushinkai (no face punching) and Gus DID NOT COMPETE IN SPARRING (I took 3rd in the sparring that year)

    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...1&d=1197862616
    Here is the "adoption" pic. I was there, adopted first, then Mike, Gus 3rd. As you can see, he was not a "young boy"

    should I do more?
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    Concrete stuff to make an article that can be added to the website so we can declare him a fraud/bullshido if need be.

    I figure that is why you started a thread here in the first place.
    Never deleted threads
    Rare if any outside (Moderator) edits.
    Framework to set up an article.
    Prove he is bullshido.


    Okay maybe you want a flame war or a war of words. I don't know.

    I don't know how many different ways I can say catiously agree with a pattern.


    Thing is here words alone and forums known for deleting, editing, and alterin posts and threads is not definitive proof. Patterns do tend to lead creedence to what you say but, it isn't 100% proof.

    This is how MABS works. You set up claims we look for internet tracks (like the cache YOU said you would try to find), we get scans, we email orgs. we email the target, we get certificates of ranks (if possible), we get someone to visit (if possible), we call the people, we invite them to the thread, and then we try to make a decision.

    Yep, he looks like a liar. Yes, I see a pattern.

    I also read his letter and can wonder who has an agenda. That is why I say concrete proof. We have actually argued about the webmaster thing here multiple times. I no longer assume anything about a website.

    In the last few months we had 2 incidents of poor webpages leading to problems for legit schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc
    Here, see if this is what you are looking for

    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...3&d=1197862641
    That's me, with Steve Ventura, and CTs, in teh Chan family association in 1986. That is 4 years before Gus ever met CTS

    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...8&d=1123265185
    CTS had me running his "basics" class before anyone got to study with him. This is the traditional sifu/student posing, if you know the "family" you might find this pic funny!


    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...5&d=1197862673
    This is Tat Wong's tournament in SF. Gus did forms, told me it was the first time he had ever entered a tournament. Mike did the sparring. I didn't actually compete that one

    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...4&d=1197862658
    This is NACMAF tournament in 1991. I am in there, so is Mike and Gus. Gus told me that was the second time he ever competed. It was in forms. Mike and I did the sparring, which was like Kyokushinkai (no face punching) and Gus DID NOT COMPETE IN SPARRING (I took 3rd in the sparring that year)

    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...1&d=1197862616
    Here is the "adoption" pic. I was there, adopted first, then Mike, Gus 3rd. As you can see, he was not a "young boy"

    should I do more?
    Yes thank you. This is what I mean. We posted at the same time so, I didn't see this post. This can help establish who was there first. It also helps show that he couldn't be a young adoptee of CTS.
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    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...9&d=1197862769
    This is mike sparring

    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...8&d=1197862761
    Stephen Innocenzi's back to camera (he is throwing an open handed back hand). In the left corner crouching down is Chris Jurak (you can't tell but he is sparring Mike). GUS IS NOT THERE.

    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...3&d=1198814668
    great example of who was "in" and who was 'out" and how close we were back then
    feature article in Inside Kung Fu magazine. I wrote part of the article, translated sifu's part into English. In the pics me, steve ventura, Mike, Gus and Chris. It wasn't like Gus was away from us "doing his own thing" we were together for YEARS under CTS so we know him, what he studied and what he had claimed to study before he opened "green cloud"
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    http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...5&d=1198814824
    Oct 1995 CTS got a "cover" (insert cover, Jackie Chan was main cover actually) on Inside Kung Fu but it was a feature article. Note who was responsible for translating the article? David A Ross (that's me BTW) and Stephen Innocenzi. Innocenzi was one of CTS most beloved students. He and I didn't have the best relationship, we argued LOL. But I was responsible for the "public face" of the system when CTS was alive, ie I translated at events and I wrote the articles
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