Thread: Ranking (belts) in SAMBO
12/20/2007 10:43pm, #1
Ranking (belts) in SAMBOOriginally Posted by sambosteve
I don't care if people question me about my ranking. I actually invite people to come watch if they think I give these things out. IMO I like to give rank because it gives my students goals.
Yes as you can see I do have my guys where jackets but they're Judo and Jujitsu gis not Kurkas:
I break it down very simply:
White, Yellow and Green Belt: Sport SAMBO
Brown Belt: Self-defense SAMBO
Blackbelt: Combat and Sport Combat SAMBO.
12/20/2007 11:22pm, #2
OK, I thought you guys wore jackets from my memory of the vids. Glad I'm nopt that old yet...
That was they key in my original debate with Sonnon. There had to be some jacket work, not that there should or should not be ranking to track students. I realize kurtki are hard to come by. i don't have a problem with gis. I have in-house rankings as well. But, they are not ubiquitous in the sambo world...and should not be. I believe sambo in general should be free of ranks. The ranks I use are for our club's purposes and only mean as much as the hard work that goes into them (and what people think of me as a coach). That is very different than starting a distance ranking program for sambo and not including any jacket work at all.
12/21/2007 4:44am, #3
Doesn't ranking effect what division you enter at tourneys?
12/21/2007 1:13pm, #4selfcritical posted: Is this significantly different than Gene Lebell teaching no-gi Judo or Eddie Bravo doing no-gi BJJ?
12/21/2007 1:14pm, #5Originally Posted by Cracky McSlugHoot
12/21/2007 1:42pm, #6
Steve correct me if I am wrong. But my understanding of the Kurtka was that it was designed to reflect/represent a battlefield soldiers kit. In that almost every soldier in any army wears a BDU jacket in combat and the shoulder holds were supposed to reflect shoulder boards/combat harness/ballistic vest/well you get the idea. The no-kurtka/gi thing was something Retuinskih used to have us do, though he would insist on at least 50% of the work being done with some kind of jacket on as well. There the idea was to put it onto the realm of everyday self-defense. As an average citizen you are not going to encounter a soldier in a combat kit, however 50% of the time you will encounter someone in a long sleeve something or jacket and 50% of the time you won't.
12/21/2007 2:47pm, #7Originally Posted by sambosteve
That rule was implemented that day. They also just added that you couldn't do any lock that would twist against the joint. (now go look in the mirror that was the look on my face). Had a great leg lock war with Dayne though but I ended up getting dropped on my head and getting a minor concussion. Ah, the good 'ol days.
12/21/2007 5:31pm, #8No, it is an ongoing debate I suppose. In the end, I always say that it is just my opinion that people who claim rank or knowledge of sambo should have experience with the jacket. Not that they should not have no-jacket experience. I feel the same about judo or BJJ...the jacket is part of the foundation and it seems silly to me to do no-gi judo.
12/21/2007 5:42pm, #9Originally Posted by sambosteve
Calling something, for example, no-gi bjj is fine if that's your root but if you're not wearing gi's the belt ranks are rather superfluous, silly and somewhat disingenuous. At that point its all sub. grappling.
12/21/2007 5:47pm, #10Originally Posted by UpaLumpa