Sayokan - Turkish martial art system

**Ajamil** · Posted On: 12/19/2007 4:12pm

Again, I don't fight, but here's what I saw:

A lack of grappling/clinch/takedowns/groundfighting. There is absolutely no problem with this, as long as they are aware that they need to find another system to cross-train in in order to be effective at these ranges.

Kicks were attempted at head, body, and legs. From my experience in TKD, I am wary about the front snap/axe kick - they always seemed to be low power unless snapped into the groin, and lifting one's leg that high right in front of them is a good way to get single legged.

In the drills, they seem to like knees, but I didn't see any in sparring. I attribute this to the lack of clinch range fighting shown.

Punching...well...I did TKD, defacto anything I say about punching will be wrong. I'll just say they punched, but they punched less than they kicked.

And why the HELL am I leading this critique? Where are the actual MAists? Ooh, speaking of which, I'm out of temple life now, so as soon as job and residence gets stable, I'll be wanting info on good places to train in Phoenix. I'm thinking of going into Judo right now. I want to overcome this whole tall and damn thin = easy as **** to throw around.

**Necroyunus** · Posted On: 12/19/2007 4:34pm

Originally Posted by Arjuna

And why the HELL am I leading this critique?

Lol man :D

well you started it so you have to go on :D

thanx anyway man dont get mad I really respect and make benefit from your comments.

Thanks for spending your time for me.

With all respect...

**Torakaka** · Posted On: 12/19/2007 4:56pm

So basically it's Karate with multicolored gis... Thanks for the info I guess?

**Necroyunus** · Posted On: 12/19/2007 5:01pm

Well yup it looks alot like ashihara or kyokushin karate.

The only difference I can find till now is the footwork I think.(Which they say 8 crescents)

And they include hits like slaps.No surprise for a Turkish system.

Hmmm....well I will investigate a litte further.

Hey by the way you might not like the style or post I just wanted to share after reading the newbie faq :D peace man....

with all respect...

**Necroyunus** · Posted On: 12/19/2007 5:07pm

lol man it ended in ymas :D

**slideyfoot** · Posted On: 1/02/2008 7:02am

Originally Posted by Necroyunus

(By the way I took help from what "slideyfoot" wrote about this topic.thanx to him alot)

As in this? I don't have much to add, except that from what I've seen of it, and the brief bit of reading I did earlier in your intro thread, it looks like a Turkish guy tried to mash various martial arts together, then gave it a new name and claim its Turkish. Would seem KidSpatula's judgement of "basically Karate with multicolored gis" sounds about right.

The Turkish credentials of this look dubious (throws in various Chinese and Japanese terms, like 'sempai' and 'kata', for a start), but I could be wrong: I only gave it a cursory glance, after all.

Not that Turkey needs anybody to make up a traditional Turkish martial art, as its already got the genuinely Turkish yağli güreş. While that is possibly the only MA even more prone to "teh ghey" jokes than BJJ, if I ever get my Turkish up to scratch, I'd love to give it a try. Thread on the style here, if you're interested.

**Virus** · Posted On: 1/02/2008 7:18am

It looks silly and I wouldn't touch it. Regardless of how much "hard sparring" they do.

**Drunken Bear** · Posted On: 1/02/2008 8:35am

Originally Posted by Necroyunus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY_ATa18fhs

(the translation is :

Aikido,karate,kung fu....it is not possible for someone to defend theirselves with these.
There is a huge gap between when it's found and right now. )

So if Karate doesn't work for self defense, why are they teaching it?

**TheMightyMcClaw** · Posted On: 1/02/2008 3:13pm

Yep, looks like Kyokushin. But Turkish. All the shines and blemishes of Kyokushin apply.
As for making a "Turkish Martial Art", I think it illustrates the link between martial arts and nationalism. The founder of this system clearly studied Kyokushin, and could have just tought Kyokushin, but he wanted something specifically for the Turkish people.
The one thing that struck me was how often that knee the back of the head was used. I have to say, that's not something I've encountered much before in martial arts. I'll have to play around with that and see how practical it is.