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  1. Rigante is offline

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    I think getting it checked out by someone else could be in order. It sounds like you are a young guy who is active. (my definition: under 40). We cant always fix medical problems but I woundnt throw in the towel yet as you have a lot of active years ahead of you (I hope). Take care and I wish you the best.
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    Originally posted by Rigante
    I think getting it checked out by someone else could be in order. It sounds like you are a young guy who is active. (my definition: under 40). We cant always fix medical problems but I woundnt throw in the towel yet as you have a lot of active years ahead of you (I hope). Take care and I wish you the best.
    Yeah, I am 23 years old and, while a lot less active now ever since I picked up school in addition to work, still work out and train regularly, and place my self under quite a bit of physical stress. I think I will let it be for another month or so, and if I don't see an imprevement, go to a sports medicine specialist. I have been putting this on a back burned not beacuse I'm throwing in a towel, but rather because it's really not interfering with my training right now.
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    Thank you all for the advice, by the way. I appreciate it.
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    Hapko3,
    your concern about not training is admirable.
    BUT, think of the long run... at ONLY 23 you have years of MA ahead of you, you haven't even entered your physical peak for the MA.
    Take time off 3 weeks, 4 weeks.
    Studies have shown little or even no strength loss in layoffs of that time ( Mens Health Feb '03, studied done in Spain and Australia) as for speed and endurance, endurance is the first to go, but I am sure a good phsyotherapist well be able to guid you in what you CAn do for that.
    Take advantage to STUDY the MA as oppose to learning them.
    Read, go to some schools just to check them out, get some videos, before you know it, its clobbering time again and you will be as good as new.
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    Originally posted by ronin69
    Hapko3,
    your concern about not training is admirable.
    BUT, think of the long run... at ONLY 23 you have years of MA ahead of you, you haven't even entered your physical peak for the MA.
    Take time off 3 weeks, 4 weeks.
    Studies have shown little or even no strength loss in layoffs of that time ( Mens Health Feb '03, studied done in Spain and Australia) as for speed and endurance, endurance is the first to go, but I am sure a good phsyotherapist well be able to guid you in what you CAn do for that.
    Take advantage to STUDY the MA as oppose to learning them.
    Read, go to some schools just to check them out, get some videos, before you know it, its clobbering time again and you will be as good as new.
    That sounds like a reasonable cource of action. But I would ***hate*** to have to take so much time off. Getting the **** kicked out of me is my best and more or less only stress relief :)

    The only problem is that I don't think just a layoff will help. I have a feeling that I do have some sort of serious damage, otherwise it would have been gone, or at least improving over half a year. Looks like I will have to go to a specialist afterall....
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    Yeah, or just work other parts of your body. You don't have to completely stop training. Keep stretching and moving the joint gently.

    If your doctor has not given you a diagnosis, what I would do is gather up both sets of CTs and get to an orthopod who specializes in shoulders. Why wait? You have waited almost a year and a half already.

    Is there any popping or cracking sounds when you move the shoulder? You do have full range of motion, just pain at the extreme ends of movement right?

    Rest can be a good thing, but maybe you need more strengthening. You don't want to end up with adhesive capsulitis.

    Hoping something will get better is not always a good way to go. I have a bad disc in my neck, I waited a couple years before doing anything and with treatment I felt better in a week. I suffered all that time for nothing.
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    Originally posted by Mr_Mantis
    Yeah, or just work other parts of your body. You don't have to completely stop training. Keep stretching and moving the joint gently.

    If your doctor has not given you a diagnosis, what I would do is gather up both sets of CTs and get to an orthopod who specializes in shoulders. Why wait? You have waited almost a year and a half already.

    Is there any popping or cracking sounds when you move the shoulder? You do have full range of motion, just pain at the extreme ends of movement right?

    Rest can be a good thing, but maybe you need more strengthening. You don't want to end up with adhesive capsulitis.

    Hoping something will get better is not always a good way to go. I have a bad disc in my neck, I waited a couple years before doing anything and with treatment I felt better in a week. I suffered all that time for nothing.
    No, I don't have a diagnosis. That is, the diagnosis I was given of ligament inflamation was more or less clearly wrong.

    I have the full range of motion with the exception of this particular angle. As far as everything else, I've been doing bench and millitary presses no problem. Pullovers feel a bit awkward, so I was doing them with a very low weight (something like 70 pounds) to stretch out and hopefull condition the shoulders. Didn't help but didn't hurt either.

    And it's been half a year, not a year and a half. About 5 1/2 months to be exact.

    Overall my shoulders are pretty strong. THat is, I'm not that strong alltogether, but my sholders have always been the quickes to grow and improve. The weights I lift in millitary press are about the same as I bench, that is I can bench about 220 for reps and millitary about 200-205. This is due to both the fact that my pecs are weak and that my shoulders are strong.

    I was actually thinking of putting much more of an emphasis on powerlifting in the near future, but looks like i should probably get this checked out before I do that.
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    Ohh, sorry about the confusion, I thought you meant 2002 last summer.

    Then it has not been that long. If you had a ligament sprain, then I think it is possible that you are still healing. Ligaments heal through calcification. Ligaments are not all that vascular so it takes them longer to heal. Do light weights for a while, heavy weights may be aggravating it complicating the healing process.

    I like the orthopod and PT idea. Hope you feel better soon.
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    Yeah, to repeat some of the advice, if it doesn't improve, go to a sports injury doctor and the PT he/she recommends. I fucked myself up on a mountain bike, or rather falling off a mountain bike and the doctor didn't know ****. The sports injury doctor felt my back, told me to put pressure on his hand with my elbow while he gently pushed my back, and POP! in went a rib. Felt way better. He was like a chiropractor with more knowledge. The PT was great (two women, which helped my attitude on getting rubbed). Some stretches are good for rotator (the pull elbow across is one).


    Some things are hopeless: I asked the PT why was there this crunchy noise when I did shoulder rolls and she felt my chest and said that most people have connective tissue between their shoulder and breast bone but I'd destroyed mine! Oh well, back to the weight room.
    "Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
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