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    10/16/2007 11:27am


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    Combat Sports/Ringside Water-filled Banana Bag

    I have to get a new banana bag for our gym. Anyone have experience with the waterfilled thai bags? Ringside/CSI has one on sale for $200 bucks that I am seriously considering. Also looking at the KOfightgear regular-filled bag. Any other recommendations would be welcome. BTW, we haven't had much luck with the Everlast products.

    (I searched for a consolidated bag thread, but no joy).

    http://www.combatsports.com/detail.aspx?ID=22753

    http://www.kofightgear.com/heavybag.htm
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    10/16/2007 11:58am

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    i am also interested in hearing about the water filled thai bag. i don't have a budget for new bags, but i am interested in hearing about them anyway.

    something tells me that a water filled bag must eventually leak. no matter what, at some point that water is coming out and could be messy, but i like the idea of less joint impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist
    something tells me that a water filled bag must eventually leak. no matter what, at some point that water is coming out and could be messy, but i like the idea of less joint impact.
    I too like the idea of less joint impact -- not getting any younger -- but I don't much like the feel.

    My experience has been limited (a couple rounds on both foam-wrapped water bags and plain water bags), so maybe it's just something you get used to.

    But I didn't find it very, um, cathartic. The bags' "give" made it tough to tell how hard I was hitting them. Plus that satisfying SPLAT sound of hitting a heavy bag is part of the therapy; I missed that too. Perhaps you adjust to those things in time.
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    I highly recommend the Fairtex thai heavy bag especially for a Yoshukai place. The Syntek texture on their banana bags is awesome for bare knuckle. It also has really good "feel" in my experience. By far my favorite bag.
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    Make sure it's a good quality bag- guys at my boxing gym really liked that it was easier on the joints, but they went through them pretty quick. Understand, though, that these bags are being worked 6-7 hours a day 5 days a week. If you're just open in the evening, they'll probably last longer. For my gym, though, the owner just couldn't afford to keep replacing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by new2bjj
    Make sure it's a good quality bag- guys at my boxing gym really liked that it was easier on the joints, but they went through them pretty quick. Understand, though, that these bags are being worked 6-7 hours a day 5 days a week. If you're just open in the evening, they'll probably last longer. For my gym, though, the owner just couldn't afford to keep replacing them.
    so what happened when they wore out? a slight drip or a massive wave of nasty water? how did he dispose of them once they were taken down?

    we can't just dump a bunch of water on the floor, the downstairs neighbors would not be happy
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    Thanks for all of the input. For the record, I went to a "friend of a friend of a friend" and tried out a Fairtex bag. I don't think it was leather, but some type of synthetic. WhiteShark was right, it is a great bag for us. Unfortunately, I got out-voted 2-1 and we ordered the CSI waterfilled bag.

    I will make some additional posts as time goes by about the water-filled bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vector
    Thanks for all of the input. For the record, I went to a "friend of a friend of a friend" and tried out a Fairtex bag. I don't think it was leather, but some type of synthetic. WhiteShark was right, it is a great bag for us. Unfortunately, I got out-voted 2-1 and we ordered the CSI waterfilled bag.
    Unless they tried the Fairtex bag too you gotta find some way to undo this. The Fairtex bag just feels so good.
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    10/30/2007 10:42pm


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    Well, the waterbag has been up for almost two weeks now.

    CSI shipped it really quick and it was easy to mount. We have some overhead beams that are made from 6 2x12's screwed together, so finding a good place to hang the 200 lb bag wasn't difficult. We left the bottom of the bag touching the floor so that it still swings a little, but not much.

    The comment about not being "cathartic" was right on point. It doesn't give that good short "smack" that you are used to from traditional stuffed bags.

    On the otherhand, I do find that I liked the "feel" of the bag once I got over the sound. I think it will be easier on the joints over the long haul (assuming that it lasts that long).
    I do a lot of bare-handed work and the covering is kind of hard the hands. I have started using a really thin glove to cut down on the abrasions.

    All in all, not a bad bag, but I think next time I will go with either a Fairtex or maybe a Windy.

    I will try to post any news about leaks or other maintenance issues as they arise.

    Hope this post meets the new crackdown rules....
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    11/10/2007 7:33am


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    After working out on the waterbag fro about 3 weeks we needed to add about two gallons of water. My guess is the bag relaxed a little and was ready for the final filling. Anyway, no leaks.

    Everyone who has used the bag complains about the sound, but after about one round of work they all say that they like the "feel". BTW, this is the first bag we have had that weights in the 200 lb. range, and you can really feel the extra weight when kicking.

    I will post any additional findings/complaints/problems when/if they arise.
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