My new 5x5 pt.2

[melk]

If you are really concerned about overtraining, cut out the vanity and assistance work and just stick with 3 big lifts.

What he said. This is why I asked. I would make 4 excersises. 2 lifts(deads and squats) and two presses(I prefer side press and bench). Then go 2 sets 5reps each with a good break between. You should be able to see pretty good strength increases especially if you cycle your training.

--Edit--
Through in some pullups as a cool down.

[Emevas]

What he said. This is why I asked. I would make 4 excersises. 2 lifts(deads and squats) and two presses(I prefer side press and bench). Then go 2 sets 5reps each with a good break between. You should be able to see pretty good strength increases especially if you cycle your training.

--Edit--
Through in some pullups as a cool down.

He'd be better off with a press and a pull rather than two presses, lest he set himself up for some real bad internal rotation. Good approach would be horizontal press+vertical pull one day, then vise versa.

[cyrijl]

I will try. It is really not so much vanity as much as not fully understanding. My head logically understands all of the arguments, but then I think "Hey, I was doing 8-10 exercises before, can I really afford to cut them all out?". I know it is stupid, but when I am in the gym and see everyone else doing 50 exercises I feel like I should to. And trust me, I hate the gym. Going to the gym is like the way I have been working on improving my diet...not because I want to but because I have to.

I will cut out all of the assistance work this week (except pull ups and dips). Then maybe I will have more time for core development.

Thanks again.

[melk]

Do yourself a favor and pick up Pavel Tatsouline's book Power to the People

[cyrijl]

Good approach would be horizontal press+vertical pull one day, then vise versa.

I thought this was what the bench press vs barbell row and military press vs pull ups was supposed to accomplish. Is this incorrect?

[Emevas]

I thought this was what the bench press vs barbell row and military press vs pull ups was supposed to accomplish. Is this incorrect?

It is, but it's not what melk was suggesting, hence my statement. You got the right idea.

People in the gym make no progress, injure themselves, and are retards. Why aspire to be like them?

[Emevas]

Do yourself a favor and pick up Pavel Tatsouline's book Power to the People

Beyond Bodybuiding is another great read by him as well. Really, anything you can find by the man is gold.

[forgetit]

That is excellent! the grippage.com rhanks Emevas.

I am like 40 years old in the last year realized how important hands and feet are. I started studing even more about how to build grip in my hands. It is more than I orginally thought.

Most of what I had studied before did not include good excersies. They usually invole learning how the tendons in the had need stretched.

[Emevas]

Glad I could help. It's a great site.

[cyrijl]

People in the gym make no progress, injure themselves, and are retards. Why aspire to be like them?

Thanks. Seriously, hearing this helps alot. I see alot of things which I know are bad in the gym.

I tried very hard to have correct form on my military press and deadlift this morning and was nowhere near close to reaching my 5x5. So I think I have to back off some weight until I get the form down better. That Starting Strength has really helped. I also am working to learn how to do the power clean in order to get the bar up for the military press. Since the weight is alot lighter than someone who normally does cleans, I think it is a good way to learn without the added stress of another lift.

I will look into the other books. I was doing the squats and deadlifts like leg presses. Once I tried to put more weight on my heels everything was crazy.(Well I also have inflexible ankle probs)...thanks yet again.