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  1. Jack Rusher is online now
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    Quote Originally Posted by meataxe
    What there is evidence for (as in actual surviving jian specimins) is the duanjian (short sword) with a blade somewhere around 22".
    I know nothing about non-firearm weapons training, but I recently had a look at an old duan jian at the Metropolitan Museum:



    ... that's a formidable looking piece of metal, right there, and not far off from military swords used by the Greeks and Romans. It dates from circa 4th1st century B.C., more details here.
    Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
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    Quote Originally Posted by meataxe
    You will find the wen jian (scholar) and wu jian (war sword) tale repeated again and again on the Internet. As far as I can tell, the source may be from the Cold Steel website. There is no historical basis for this. There are thousands of antique blades in circulation and the historical evidence just doesn't support this story.
    I'm guessing they get the wen jian and wu jian tale from Yang Jwing Ming's book Ancient Chinese Weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CodosDePiedra
    I'm guessing they get the wen jian and wu jian tale from Yang Jwing Ming's book Ancient Chinese Weapons.
    'nuff said
    Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
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    World Jianshu League Austin, TX

    Hello,

    Steve Cottrell is starting a jianshu fencing team in Austin Tx, his site is www.MantisQuarterly.com

    Here is a video of our San Diego, CA team
    YouTube - World Jianshu League San Diego

    I joined the WJL because they have the least restrictions when it comes to live dueling.

    Do 1 or 2 duels, it will clarify the difference between pretty and functional.

    The next competition will be in San Diego.

    Hope to see you then!
    M.Dasargo
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8stepsifu View Post
    Are you still talking about the Jian or broadsword?


    As you mentioned their were ceremonial straitswords, thats what I call a scholar sword. I have never been to the cold steel web site. My Master said that metal was expensive and so even short, the swords were used with two hands.

    Perhaps you misunderstood me but saying, "BS" and then claiming I got my info from a web site and saying that archaeology was a better source of information than someone's Shifu is arrogant and rude.

    No point trying to acuratly replicate a jian from the 1800's when most Chinese were 4'9" and 60kg in 2009 America unless you are a dwarf.

    I got my custon Jian from a well know establishment in china.......big mistake that is still to be resolved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M.Dasargo View Post
    Hello,

    Steve Cottrell is starting a jianshu fencing team in Austin Tx, his site is www.MantisQuarterly.com

    Here is a video of our San Diego, CA team
    YouTube - World Jianshu League San Diego

    I joined the WJL because they have the least restrictions when it comes to live dueling.

    Do 1 or 2 duels, it will clarify the difference between pretty and functional.

    The next competition will be in San Diego.

    Hope to see you then!
    M.Dasargo
    do you have
    any associates/affiliates in dallas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by variance View Post
    do you have
    any associates/affiliates in dallas?
    Sorry for the late response...been wrapped up in other stuff. Unfortunately, I don't know anyone personally in dalllas, but you can check out the siite:

    www.WorldJianshu.org

    they might be able to help you out.

    Mike D.
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