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  1. DdlR is offline
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    11/26/2007 9:52pm

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    Emailed your AOL account.
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    ok, i will check out the e-mail tomorrow----i do not hate todd, in fact i never bring him up in conversation unless someone asks a question.i alway tell people look at the course and product, if they like the method and say so, i have no beef with it---life is too short for bullshit--ralph g
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    this gent [ddlr] is actually a friend of mine:)--ralph g
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    11/27/2007 9:48am


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    I am a student of Geoff Todds. He is legit. I am not going to go into the "war" between the wolfpack. Let us just say there is a lot of smelly material being flung by both sides!


    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp
    He and his organization are a combatives training group. The best I can tell they have legitimate ties to the New Zealand military and the big dogs of WW2 combatives. If that is indeed the case then they wouldn't be bullshido so if this is the wrong forum please move mods.

    Does anyone here have more detailed info on them? I will be in NZ for Xmas (my wife is a Kiwi) and may contact them.

    I know there is some bad blood between the Todd Groupand Cestari's "Wolfpack". Is this a personalities or business type conflict? Or a curriculum disagreement? Any of the Wolfpack around that is willing to comment???

    Edited to add: After some further reading on Todd's website, specifiacally here; http://www.schoolofselfdefence.com/t...ose-combat.htm I find this quote; "Many specialist practices unknown by other qualified military unarmed combat instructors were revealed to Geoff by Colonel Rex Applegate to ensure his work continued."

    That sounds like bullshit for sure and certainly wouldn't go over well with the Wolfpack me thinks...
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    11/27/2007 9:56am


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    Oh and why did you not ask if any of the Todd group were around? Just curious, several of us are on the site.

    I have the answers you are looking FYI.


    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp
    He and his organization are a combatives training group. The best I can tell they have legitimate ties to the New Zealand military and the big dogs of WW2 combatives. If that is indeed the case then they wouldn't be bullshido so if this is the wrong forum please move mods.

    Does anyone here have more detailed info on them? I will be in NZ for Xmas (my wife is a Kiwi) and may contact them.

    I know there is some bad blood between the Todd Groupand Cestari's "Wolfpack". Is this a personalities or business type conflict? Or a curriculum disagreement? Any of the Wolfpack around that is willing to comment???

    Edited to add: After some further reading on Todd's website, specifiacally here; http://www.schoolofselfdefence.com/t...ose-combat.htm I find this quote; "Many specialist practices unknown by other qualified military unarmed combat instructors were revealed to Geoff by Colonel Rex Applegate to ensure his work continued."

    That sounds like bullshit for sure and certainly wouldn't go over well with the Wolfpack me thinks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR
    I visited Geoff Todd's school in Dunedin about ten years ago, saw some basic training and chatted with him. Don't know anything about combatives politics, but the school itself is amazing. Todd inherited it from his instructor who was one of the old-time Kiwi army combatives gurus and it's full of history.

    The training I saw, bearing in mind this was a long time ago, seemed like solid, basic H2H stuff.
    It still is solid stuff ;) You probably saw some Phase one training at my best guess, perhaps phase two. The Phase three is not for visitors (or phase one or two kids) to see (thus I never saw it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by theardri
    It still is solid stuff ;) You probably saw some Phase one training at my best guess, perhaps phase two. The Phase three is not for visitors (or phase one or two kids) to see (thus I never saw it)
    Yes, I'd assumed that it was a beginner class.
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    11/27/2007 5:07pm

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    there is a lot of smelly material being flung by both sides!
    What "Smelly" stuff are you refering to?

    Clint

    Edit to add:

    his Wolf Pack are still around (mind you their attitude is lacking some times as they act like snobs, I'll hold off on commenting further till the morning period for them is over).
    We have a pretty tough hide, so whats the problem, as you stated with, (Cestariís mob) ?

    C.
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    11/27/2007 5:11pm


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    theardri, i have not stated anything on here but facts, tell me what is" smelly"?--ralph g
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    11/27/2007 5:58pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by CLINT
    What "Smelly" stuff are you refering to?

    Clint
    Gents (Clint and Ralph) I am NOT going to trade with either of you. But to quote Ralph "it is on record". You wish to misrepresent one side, more power to you. None the less the facts are out there, and the world of Combatives is bigger than Mr Cestari and is pupils. May the gods and goddesses bless his soul onto the next turn of the wheel.
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