11/24/2007 8:06am, #11
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if a MA has it in their ideology to change with the evidence as to what is effective then they could add techniques as it became apparent that they work, whilst still upholding a general mentality as how to fight. the problem comes when you consider that each fighter will have their own style. so, when you have grappling and striking in an art, some practitioners will favor grappling. if this art were karate, then a practitioner specializing in a ground game would not be seen as the prototypical karateka from an outsider. in fact, the whole art by now would look essentially like mma. case in point: Daido Juku, now known as Kudo.
11/24/2007 8:47am, #12Originally Posted by Gustard
and who can afford three, four schools? not me. I can't afford one these days.
The quality of instruction, and equipment/space count for a lot in any school. Plus, at some point you'd have to put it all together, and that would be at an mma school.
11/24/2007 9:16am, #13Originally Posted by hpr
11/24/2007 9:37am, #14
Don't forget Bas Reutten also has a Kyukushin background
Also so do a lot of Japanese fighters. So saying you don't see it represented in MMA is false
Re MMA schools - If the school has qualified instructors in different MA's then it's stupid to train at lots of different places.
The problem with Karate and MMA is that Karate mostly is gi orientated with no clinch game to really speak of.
Therefore Muay Thai fits into the total MMA goal, (strike, clinch, takedown submit) better than does most karate (or Tae kwon do)
But you will still see guys with karate and tae kwon do backgrounds who also cross train in Muay thai, Like GSP and the crow still throw out the TKD or Karate technique.
If I wasn't so lazy I would look up the YouTube vid of the guy knocking out someone in a cage with karate hook kick.
11/24/2007 11:11am, #15
I think that the visibility of "karate" may be lower these days, seeing as nobody really bothers to throw on the ol' gi in the cage these days. As has been stated by previous posters, though, this means little in actuality... karateka still get in the octagon, they're just not doing karate.:karated:
11/24/2007 12:34pm, #16
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George St Pierre!
Well Karate is in UFC in the form of punches and kicks, but you don't see the "Now you do this, while I do that" Karate. Nor do you see the 6 point blocking system. But its there..
11/24/2007 7:27pm, #17Originally Posted by Vulgar42Ox
BTW, I find it kind of misguiding to call GSP a karateka... isn't his game primarily ground game anyways?
Oh, and only because someone had practiced karate before doesn't automatically make them a 'karateka' unless they call themselves a karate practitioner (like GSP always showing of his Kyokushin black belt or Chuck Liddell openly practicing kempo).
Anyways, the reason you don't see many karatekas in MMA is because most styles of karate (with the exception of Kyokushin and some other styles) don't practice effective techniques in an alive manner at all. Most karatekas learn katas and then their nonpractical 'applications' (bunkai), which is the reason most karatekas get their asses beat when they enter MMA competition, which is why we don't see many karatekas in MMA.
11/24/2007 8:39pm, #18
Anyone who enters MMA without a well rounded game is going to get their asses beat.
11/24/2007 11:52pm, #19
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11/25/2007 12:19am, #20
Hm. We forgot Andy Hug. :/Curiosity killed the cat. But damn it had a blast.