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  1. FUNKtastic is offline

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    11/24/2007 1:06am


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    I get the feeling the consequences would be much more dire if it happened in MMA than say Boxing since the latter is more established and the former is still considered a sort of "blood-sport" by a significant segment of society.

    Tipper Gore would have a field day.
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    That was weird, the guy like stands up and looks alright then collapses, what happened to him? I've seen worse beatings then that.
  3. monkus is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgar42Ox
    That was weird, the guy like stands up and looks alright then collapses, what happened to him? I've seen worse beatings then that.
    He had a pre-existing condition. That's what happened. If you have medical issues, anything can kill you if it hits you right, even like overexerting yourself in golf.
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    What was the pre-existing condition?
  5. Lu Tze is offline

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    A head injury.
    Last edited by Lu Tze; 11/24/2007 5:21pm at . Reason: not a fractured skull, a "cracked" skull.
  6. Ronin.74 is offline

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    11/25/2007 6:28pm


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    I just picked up this link from MMA playground. Definitely relevant to this discussion.

    http://www.mmanews.com/other/MMA-Fig...r-KO-Loss.html
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    Posted On:
    11/25/2007 6:42pm

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    Son of a bitch beat me to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fight Network
    Sammy Vasquez has been fighting for his life in Saint Joseph Medical Center's Critical Care Unit since the night of his Oct. 20 Renegades Extreme Fighting bout at the Toyota Center in Houston, Texas. Revolution Dojo's Vasquez (1-2) suffered a third-round KO loss to Vince Libardi (4-3) before being taken to the hospital by local medical technicians seated cageside.
    Vasquez's 26 days in critical condition have resulted in multiple blood clots, fluid on his brain, brain swelling and, most recently, a massive stroke he suffered last Friday, according to messages left on the TXMMA.com forum by Vasquez's wife, Sandra. In the latest posting, dated Nov. 12, the family asked not to be contacted and simply requested prayers. Vasquez's mother spoke with The Fight Network on Tuesday but would only confirm her son is 35 years old and the father of a 7-year-old.

    Paul Erickson, owner of the popular TXMMA.com Web site, photographed the event in which Vasquez was injured.

    "There was nothing out of the ordinary," Erickson said. "They scrambled and hit the cage. Sammy looked a little wobbly when the referee called the doctor in, but nothing [was] out of the ordinary. Everyone was puzzled at the time, because no one could tell when or where he was injured."

    Renegades Extreme Fighting is owned and promoted by Saul Soliz, a longtime striking coach to Tito Ortiz and Ricco Rodriguez and well respected figure in the MMA community. Renegades has held 23 events to date. Soliz did not return calls for comment.

    In the sport's 14-year history in the United States, there have been no serious life-threatening injuries. The only reported death occurred at a non-regulated event in the Ukraine in 1998 after American Doug Dedge passed out shortly following his bout. Following his death, unsubstantiated reports claimed Dedge had a pre-existing medical condition.

    Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation representative Greg Alvarez said the TDLR was monitoring Vasquez's condition closely. If it takes a turn for the worse, Alvarez said the agency would investigate the incident further. "Sam was well qualified to fight," said Alvarez.

    Alvarez said the TDLR ensured all of the regulations, licensing and safety checklists were adhered to but was reluctant to talk about the night Vasquez was critically injured.

    Erickson, who has trained in and covered Texas MMA since 1997, also observed that "the cage was properly padded and reinforced; everything was inspected before the fights started, and there were no illegal moves or strikes. This is the frustrating part, in that there's no easy explanation, and we'll have to resign ourselves that sometimes unfortunate incidents result, even when everything is handled properly."
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    11/25/2007 6:42pm


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    If there is a death in a regulated and sanctioned US fight there will be a big public outcry for a while until we conclude that in spite of what editorialists and talk show hosts are saying, a lot of us actually like watching UFC on Spike so we don't want it banned, and oh yeah, people get killed in boxing matches pretty regularly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kekekeke
    MMA hasn't had many (or any?) deaths but I have always wondered what the legal procedure be if there was one in the future. Suppose one of the figthers gets kicked really hard in the head knocking him out and sending him in to a coma with him resting in peace later on at the hospital. What happens to the fighter than kicked him?
    For both civil and criminal purposes, the legal answer is that it depends on the State the competition is held in. Most states say that if someone "assumes the risk" of a legal activity by accepting a fight, then the fighter's opponent can't be found liable for damages. This holds true for any injury, not just death.

    On the criminal side of things, it will once again vary by state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkus
    He had a pre-existing condition. That's what happened. If you have medical issues, anything can kill you if it hits you right, even like overexerting yourself in golf.
    As an aside, a pre-existing condition doesn't matter for legal purposes. Whether you punch Superman or Mr. Glass, you pay for the damage you cause in traditional tort lawsuits.
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