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  1. Jack Rusher is online now
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    Xvest? Other weighted vests?

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    I've been thinking of picking up a weighted vest. Anyone here have any recommendations? The Xvest is quite expensive, but online reviews rave about it. I'm hoping for something adjustable up to around 40 lbs that's as comfortable as possible, and I'm willing pay a little extra for that comfort.

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    Why exactly are you looking for a weighted vest? You could get a dip belt for cheap to add weight to bodyweight exercises, and the weight limit is much higher than 40lbs, and adding weight to things like running and stuff tends to be pretty damaging to the joints/ligaments, especially of the knee and back.

    I usually can't find myself justifying the expense of one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emevas
    Why exactly are you looking for a weighted vest?
    I've been thinking of using one for parkour exercises that would preclude dumbbells in the hands and make a dip belt very inconvenient. Think: bear crawls, parallel bars, gymnastics rings, rope climbs, monkey bars, handstand pushups, and so on, all done in a circuit. This kind of thing:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15VRzQHq2U

    ... basically bodyweight crossfit turned into a game to keep me form getting bored.
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    ^^ What Emevas said. With some caveats (cus Ross Enamait, may his nuts provide us everlasting shelter, uses them for some exercises.)

    That xvest thing is atrociously expensive. I got a 10lbs for my g/f for like $30 at Target (maybe even less), and I've seen vests that go up to 40lbs IIRC for about $60 or $70. Neither will be as orthopedic and as high quality as an xvest, but man, compare those prices for the xvest 12-pounder ($129.99).

    A vest is very convenient for burpees and other b/w exercises (Ross Enamait has a whole bunch of neat ideas on how to use them). But a vest is appropriate when you have reached a point where you need to. And an extra 10lbs is no joke at all. I cannot imagine what kind of goliath can use a 40-pounder.

    Then you have to consider the following. Unless you have strong, conditioned bones and tendons, that extra weight can mess you up (search for the effects of obesity in tendons and bones.) Maybe I'm overreacting and talking out of my ass, but I wouldn't want to do a 4-mile run with one of those on a regular basis.

    For chin ups and pull ups, a dip belt is best (as Emevas suggested). In fact, a dip belt is great for many things that don't have anything to do with pull ups/chin ups. Try wearing a dip belt with 30lbs while doing bicep curls, cable tricep extensions, pleas and gobblet squats every now and then. Looks weird, but your hips, abs and lower back will be getting quite a workout.

    I wouldn't consider a vest for push ups either. A cheap set of resistance bands (the flat ones without handles) are more versatile and they take no space in your gym bag.

    I think the only time I've had use of my cheapo 10-pounder vest is for abdominals, back extensions and supermans. I experimented once with it for walking lunges, but I found it better to use straps to grab heavier dumbbells.

    In other words, if you really want/need a vest, get a 10-pounder vest at Target or Sports Authority instead of forking $129 for a 12-pounder xvest, or get an Altus or GoFit 20-pounder for like $70. I would never fork a cent for anything heavier.

    A dip belt seems like a better investment, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrusher
    I've been thinking of using one for parkour exercises that would preclude dumbbells in the hands and make a dip belt very inconvenient. Think: bear crawls, parallel bars, gymnastics rings, rope climbs, monkey bars, handstand pushups, and so on, all done in a circuit. This kind of thing:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15VRzQHq2U

    ... basically bodyweight crossfit turned into a game to keep me form getting bored.
    If you try to do Parkour with 40lbs extra on you, I forsee EPIC FAIL in your future.
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    Kein Haar had it right:

    Q: when should I wear a weighted vest?

    A: when you throw yourself overboard.
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    Poop Loops: the vests are variable weight in 1 lb increments. My plan was to work my way up, not toss on a 40 lb vest and start doing cat leaps. :smile:

    Pirate: tell it to David Belle, man.

    Emevas & Macho: thanks, as always, for your insight. By way of thanks, Macho, here's a video of Ana Forrest being awesome:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    I cannot imagine what kind of goliath can use a 40-pounder.

    ...

    Maybe I'm overreacting and talking out of my ass, but I wouldn't want to do a 4-mile run with one of those on a regular basis.
    I do not mean to minimize the risk involved, especially when doing exercises with a high ballistic quotient. However,

    - Military "Full Battle Rattle" is 90+ pounds.

    - A firefighter suited up is carrying roughly an additional 84 pounds (please notice the xVest maximum weight).
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Funny that you mentioned it because when I was driving to work I realized exactly the same. Moreover, I just remembered as I'm typing this that climbers train loaded backpacks!!!

    I'm trying to understand how they cope with the stress in bones and ligaments with all that load on top of them. Of course, they train and get conditioning, but still.

    Is this a case where the potential of injury is an acceptable risk for military personnel and firefighters (that is, they suck it up in order to fullfill their duties), or is this a case where the assumption (my assumption) of the risks involved with weight vests are grossly exagerated????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    Is this a case where the potential of injury is an acceptable risk for military personnel and firefighters (that is, they suck it up in order to fullfill their duties), or is this a case where the assumption (my assumption) of the risks involved with weight vests are grossly exagerated????
    I don't know, man. When I was in the Marines, I had a seargant who was a sponsored runner. He always told us that weights mangle your knee joints and can give you water on the knee. HOWEVER, that didn't stop my DI's from strapping 80 pounds of gear to my ass so they could march us around for 12 miles.
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