11/19/2007 10:47pm, #11
Obviously, any actual combat situation that a person might get into will involve a group of unarmed aggressors against a single unarmed combatant. The ROK's went into battle with just their hands and fists. No other weapons. No guns or knives or grenades or what-have-you. Just one ROK versus entire divisions of the enemy. Their very presence unleashed an aura that caused all other soldiers in the surrounding area to also forego their guns for the weapons crafted by God.
My wife's brother's cousin's girlfriend's uncle's former roommate is a World Champion judoka who also told me that an escaped Yakuza gang member brought judo to Brazil, but the esteemed Dr. Wong forgot to mention how Helio Gracie single handledly took control of the entirety of Rio de Janeiro's drug trade by way of an armbar, and is now the Most Wanted man in the world for his untouchable cartels of doom.
11/19/2007 10:49pm, #12Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
11/19/2007 10:51pm, #13Originally Posted by KempoFist
11/19/2007 10:58pm, #14
Wait, what I'm supposed to politically correctly neutralize the Gooks and then buy anti-aging and pro-sexual natural health products from a Chinese man because I'm a peaceful hippie and believe in naturopathy?
I don't think guy understands his audience very well.
Also, his PhD is in martial arts, so he's obviously a moron.
11/19/2007 11:05pm, #15
11/19/2007 11:12pm, #16
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BREAKDOWN OF STUPIDITY TIME!
This one is surely going to get me in trouble. But, as Iíve never been one to go with fads and current thinking on most anything and Iíve never been one to hold my tongue when I believe something is dead wrong - here goes!
The ground fighting and mixed martial arts fad of the last 15 or so years is great for sport, TV watching and for some folks wagering on but I really have to say when it comes to the street or battleground it is near useless for actual combat against folks who are really trying to kill you and not just score points on you!
In real combat the object of the game is to kill or incapacitate the enemy, then turn round and do it again, then turn round and do it once more for as many bad guys as you may be facing.
In a street situation or battlefield there will likely be more than one opponent to neutralize (i.e. pc jargon for kill). So what happens if you take an opponent to the ground and proceed to put locks on him, choke him, punch, knee and other wise abuse him? Iíll tell you what happens: that particular guy you are working on may be in trouble but his fellow gang members, troopers or terrorists will knife, bayonet, rifle-butt, club or otherwise put a serious hurting on you because while you are playing ďHulk HoganĒ you can only deal with one opponent. All of the bad guys friends are free to to do what ever they please to you. Have you ever thought about that? Real fighting is a multi-person melee and free for all - when you have Gooks coming through the wire and itís hand-to-hand time, there are bad guys who are seemingly everywhere.
The only folks who need to use take downs and ground fighting to subdue folks are cops; thatís their job. Citizens facing deadly force are under no compulsion to subdue and hold a criminal for the police! (That goes only for the US. For you folks in Europe, where there is no right to self defense and youíll get arrested for furthering violence if you resist an attack, just lie there and get beaten-up as little as possible). Your only job is to make sure you and yoursí survive the encounter as best as you can manage.
But youíve been told by the Brazilian Ju Jitsu folks that their ground fighting arts were actually combat tested and based. Well yes but... All the stories about Brazilian Ju Jitsu doing so well in actual combat in the mob wars and so forth of Rio, need to be looked at in the context of the situations they found themselves in. A former cop and Olympic Judoka friend of mine told me that the Brazilians developed their form of Ju Jitsu when a Japanese Yakuza escaped prosecution in Japan, went to Brazil and taught a particular mob family there how to best sneak up on Rio cops and kill them. I guess that presents combat experience of sorts.
Letís look at real martial arts applied to actual combat situations to see what actually works. The best example and statistics we have to date on martial arts use in combat are those concerning the South Korean troops that served in the Vietnam war. The NVA and VC totally feared the Koreans. God bless them, the ROKís were ruthless! The ROKís are among the hardest hearted and toughest troops on the planet, ask anyone whoís served or fought with them.
They are legends with almost entire divisions among the ROK Marines and Paras being made up of black belts. In Vietnam the only troops to consistently use their martial arts were the ROKís. They used Korean style karate, and while Yodo (Korean Judo) is commonly taught, the military CQB techniques are entirely punch - kick in nature.
In their 11 years of involvement in the war, with all their major operations and areas of responsibility their losses were only 5,000 killed and 11,000 wounded! Their kill ratio (how many of the enemy died for every one of their killed) was in the triple digits to one! With almost 60% of their kills involving only the use of hands or feet (punch, chop and kick) and no other weapons!!!
That is real combat experience. This is also very telling of what actually works on the battlefield.
Yes we all need to know how to do some wrestling. Getting out and up from a take down, a lock, some other technique are needed knowledge. But the thought that engagements can be won by taking an opponent down and working on him while on the ground ignores the realities of the street and battleground.
All in all, this guy should not be teaching martial arts based on what he's said here. He displays a stunning lack of knowledge of both history and actual fighting application.Knowing is not enough, you must apply...
...Willing is not enough you must do ~Bruce Lee
11/19/2007 11:16pm, #17
11/19/2007 11:20pm, #18
Oh come on, the whole article is obviously bullshit. Why waste time with it?
11/19/2007 11:24pm, #19
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[sarcasm] Makes sense to me. MMA is really a sport. Go ahead, try shooting in on a guy with a gun, you know what'll happen? He'll shoot you, him or one of his buddies. So you need something that works on the battlefield, will stop a foe in his tracks, and isnt as sporty or trendy as MMA... the author is looking to Korea for such a style. Oh, of course! I know! TKD![/sarcasm]
When I started reading that article I had to check my calendar, make sure it wasn't April 1st already.
11/19/2007 11:24pm, #20
Real fighting is a multi-person melee and free for all - when you have Gooks coming through the wire and itís hand-to-hand time, there are bad guys who are seemingly everywhere.The ROKís are among the hardest hearted and toughest troops on the planet, ask anyone whoís served or fought with them.
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