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  1. Jenfucius is offline

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    knee sprain

    I sprained my left knee (MCL ligament). I was wondering if any of you had this injury before and if so if you have any advice for me. But what I really want to know is how long it'll be before I'll be able to throw roundhouse kicks with this leg without pain. Thanks!
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    Do you know the extent of the damage of your medial collateral ligament? If it is just sprained, you will want to immobilize it as much as possible until it heals. If you mess around with it, you can aggravate the problem and cause more damage and/or be laid up longer.

    Just be patient with it and train your upperbody as best you can.

    How long? Depends on the extent of injury. See a doctor if you haven't already, you may benefit from some antiinflamatories.
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    Mr. Mantis,

    I went to the orthopedist already. he says it's an MCL sprain, the x-ray was fine. he wants me to get an MRI to rule out a meniscus tear and see how bad the sprain is but the next available appointment isn't until next saturday.

    it doesn't seem that bad to me, even though the doctor pulled it the wrong way so i can see that the ligament is loose. i can walk on it and the range of motion is getting better, but when i went to throw a weak-ass tentative roundhouse on a wavemaster bag today it hurt like a bitch.

    i have anti-inflammatories from a primary doctor but i'm not taking them because it doesn't seem to be inflamed at all. it's not swollen or hot or red or any of those kind of things.

    i got some medicinal wine from my teacher that has herbs in it and i've been rubbing that on it. supposedly i'm supposed to be in physical therapy for 2 months, but i was hoping to get some advice on bullshido.
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    Oooo Sounds bad. You see, it also takes more time for ligamentous injuries to heal because it is not very vascular in these areas.

    If you mess with it, you can make it worse. You should let it heal. Hopefully the wine will help.

    When a doctor orders an MRI it is usually serious. Those tests are expensive. X-rays do not show soft tissues, only bone. The orthopod found laxity in the MCL, and if he is thinking about a meniscus, maybe he got a positive on that test (I think it's called McMurray's sign).

    Nurse your knee injury. Knee injuries are serious. Work your upperbody for the next three months.
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    Often serious tears to the MCL also cause medial meniscal tears. However the diagnosis is difficult because the torn mcl is also usually directly over the joint line which is where you would palpate a torn meniscus. If the orthopd wants you on anti-inflammitories and pt then do it. (It may not require two months of Pt depending upon severity of the tear) If you want todo the herb stuff fine, but dont use them instead of the meds you were directed to take by the orthopod. Most MCL injuries I treat turn out fine, but you need to get compliant with the treatment recommendations.
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    Originally posted by Rigante
    Often serious tears to the MCL also cause medial meniscal tears. However the diagnosis is difficult because the torn mcl is also usually directly over the joint line which is where you would palpate a torn meniscus. If the orthopd wants you on anti-inflammitories and pt then do it. (It may not require two months of Pt depending upon severity of the tear) If you want todo the herb stuff fine, but dont use them instead of the meds you were directed to take by the orthopod. Most MCL injuries I treat turn out fine, but you need to get compliant with the treatment recommendations.
    i would like to note that the orthopedist did not direct me to take any meds. i would also like to note that the MRI i am supposed to have won't be happening until next saturday (i scheduled it on tuesday). also, he wanted to wait for the MRI so he hasn't prescribed any physical therapy yet. so your suggestion that i "get compliant" comes off as both arrogant and ignorant. i hope you treat your patients with more respect than that.
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    ... get an MRI to rule out a meniscus tear ...
    I have a meniscus tear and the Orthopedist did not think it was anything either.
    The MRI proved otherwise.

    If it heals on it's own or is livable they recomend NO surgery otherwise I may have to have it next year.
    I have been training slower than ever. (sigh)

    You may experience days when it will not hurt at all and days where you twinge it, for no logical reason, walking.

    That is my 2 cents.
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    I doubt your doctor told you to go right back into throwing roundhouses. Take some time off to heal.
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    i have anti-inflammatories from a primary doctor but i'm not taking them because it doesn't seem to be inflamed at all. it's not swollen or hot or red or any of those kind of things.

    i got some medicinal wine from my teacher that has herbs in it and i've been rubbing that on it. supposedly i'm supposed to be in physical therapy for 2 months, but i was hoping to get some advice on bullshido.
    In light of the fact that your GP has you on NSAIDs, but you rejected them in favor of "medicinal wine", I think Rigante is entirely justified in suggesting that you are less than compliant. And that's not being rude. You rejected the NSAIDs because you didn't have symptoms that are not the only indicators for them.

    When I had a rotator cuff injury I was on NSAIDs despite the fact that my shoulder was not "swollen or hot or red or any of those kind of things." There are many kinds of injuries.

    Perhaps your orthopedist saw your records and noted your GP had prescribed the NSAIDs? When you go from a GP to a specialist, you do not necessarily go back to square one.

    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    I think you should "get compliant". I really don't think that comment was arrogant or ignorant. It likely comes with experience with dealing with paitents. Most people DON'T follow their doctor's recommendations. They think they know their own body and their own limits. It is inconcievable to them that when they come in with a minor sprain or strain, that the doctor tells them to take 6 to 8 weeks off of training. They go against the doctor's recommendations and make themselves worse or never fully heal.

    If you don't like what your doctor is telling you, seek a second opinion, maybe from someone specializing in sports medicene.

    The last thing I would do is seek medical advice from strangers on the internet.
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