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  1. Snake Plissken is offline
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    He's the "bodyguard" for the show and O&A would often bring Po in to speak with them.

    I recall one episode where some other staff member was claiming a BB in "American Olympic Karate" and was showing some form accidentally tagged his partner. Po came in and started getting worked up how if this guy was really a BB he should know better and threatened to tune the guy up and see how he liked it.
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    he's their bodyguard? that's just sad. How is he going to tune anyone up if he can't handle some random noob he outweighs in 30 seconds...that's not very Chille Palmer, you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aardvarks
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    there is a "Po" post in the "Tom Fox" thread that I reported that should be merged over.
    Moved it over here, it's right above your post (post #25).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve
    Moved it over here, it's right above your post (post #25).
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    Holy tap dancing jesus, I need to slap that toolbag.
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    Hi PoiDog:

    Could you provide us with your educated comentary on what you see in this tape, walking us through the suckatude so to speak.
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    Since 1996 I was asked to train the U.S. Marine Corp. and the Airborne Special Forces. I would like to continue with that tradition by offering free seminars to all branches of the military as I did once before.
    this is true? it's from his website???
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    He might have offered some free seminars.
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    but probably not asked to train the marine corps??....it's a little different to do them(seminars), or be asked by individuals...as opposed to the corps as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel Browning
    Hi PoiDog:

    Could you provide us with your educated comentary on what you see in this tape, walking us through the suckatude so to speak.
    Hey Sam,

    I'll do my best to illustrate the most glaring problems I see with Po.

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    Critique Video #1 ("Master" Po vs. radio listener):

    What can anyone really say about this video? It's obvious Po has poor grappling skills at best. He can't sink the guillotine or apply a rear naked. However, unless I missed it somewhere, he doesn't claim to have the JOO-JIT-SOO, so we'll overlook this.

    Let's move on to his claim of dumog experience. Po displays no technical efficacy and seems unaware of even the basic principles of dumog application. As a result, he goes ass-over-tea-kettle fairly early in the exchange. Even folks with a limited understanding of dumog foundations saw the opportunity for a "neck control". Instead of falling into this very basic position (which most true dumog practitioners would at least attempt), he goes for the "stand up guillotine" with one arm in with poor results.

    For comparison, see this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-6CfNjflxY

    Now I understand this is compliant partner training, but note how true dumog principles employ zoning off opponents centerline and using the neck as a control point.

    Critique Video #2 ("Master" Po's Demo 2006)

    Part 1 - Let's ignore most of the ridiculous photo montage of overly posed stances in a suit (his "everyday dress attire") with long blades (NO ONE'S "everyday dress attire"). I do need to make mention of the first photo of Po with an 'opponent'. Unlike most good filipino martial artists I know, train with or have studied under, Po chooses to stand directly in front of his opponent. While his 'alive hand' is theoretically protecting his face, does anyone here believe that it would stop his opponent's straight left? Unlikely. The more realistic outcome of this situation is Po gets dropped with clean shot to the temple.

    Part 2 - Single "stick" - I need to mention a couple of immediate observations of this portion of the clip. First, the "stick" he's using seems to be the metal shaft of a golf club, so it's unrealistically light, which allows for the ridiculous flailing. Second, most of his strikes are aimed around shoulder height, not a particularly effective target for a fight ender. Third, at no point is he grounded while swinging any of what I can only assume are his power shots. Indeed, he is often in the middle of some sort of spastic jump. Again, not the best power generation techniques.

    Okay, let's look at his actual movement. One, although he rarely stands still, he's not fluid in the sense a true fighter is fluid. His footwork, instead of smoothly transitioning through his movement, seems almost spastic. At many points in his 'carenza', he is off balance and his legs are splayed out in deep stances that leave little room for mobility. I've scored vicious knee shots on folks who have far better footwork than Po. Po would be crippled through the legs if he actually tried to use this footwork to fight at a Gathering.

    He also has a very bad habit of leading with his head. This is bad for fighting in general, extremely bad for filipino weapons fighting. I would expect most masters in the FMA to know this and never make such a basic principles mistake.

    Lastly, the purpose of the alive hand seems to have entirely escaped Po's understanding. The alive hand is a tool for either the defense of the head, a stroke's power assist, a follow-up check/grab after a strike or lastly, a counterbalance for his other hand while striking. Po's alive hand does none of these, seemingly busy slapping his own body for sound effect or simply flailing around uselessly.

    For comparison, here is a video clip of Eric "Top Dog" Knauss. Pay attention to the difference in fluidity of both stick manipulation and footwork. Watch how his alive hand, if not near his chest, is either probing as a follow up to a stick strike or actively assisting his stick hand in power generation. He is not uselessly slapping his body with it. Also note that the stick Top Dog is using is an actual rattan fighting stick, 31" long, about 1&1/4" diameter and dense. This is a man who has knocked people out with his kali.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WoMgotN90I

    Part 3 - Siniwali - Simply a poor demonstration of the most basic of coordination drills done with double "sticks". Present again is the ridiculous jumping, the off balance footwork, the mock fluidity/spastic flailing and the inability to generate power thanks to poor body mechanics.

    Part 4 - Latigo (whip) - More of the same, with the addition of the unnecessary and highly ineffective 'combat roll' (~2:36). Aside from all the same problems as his single stick demo (with especially bad head leading), none of his whip attacks seemed targeted towards any fictitious opponent. I heard no true whip cracks, and all the attempted snapping seemed either directed at the floor or above his head. Maybe if he was fighting earthworms and pigeons, this might be considered a viable tactic.

    Part 5 - First opponent, knife in hand - Holy crap, here we go. Class, what's the first most glaring problem with these scenarios? That's right, freeze frame fighting!! Opponent attempts single thrust/stab then loses all ability to move aside from slowly deflating towards the ground.

    There are very few simulated thrusts in that "exchange". Most of Po's attacks are slashes, very sloppy slashes, half of the time done with the BACK of the blade. Unless Po regularly carries a double edges knife (illegal in most states IIRC), most of those slashes would do little towards stopping your opponent. And with a real blade, at that speed with that lack of control, Po would likely be down a few fingers at the end of the encounter.

    Besides the freeze frame foolishness, as a "executive security specialist"/bodyguard, why the massive attention spent on the attacker? Drop them and get the client moving out of there. Not to mention that overkill of that magnitude would likely result in arrest and prosecution.

    Part 6 - Opponent, empty hand - Again, opponent throws single punch and conveniently freezes while Po gets to throw 7 billion butterfly-kiss punches.

    Additionally, the FMA are famous for the use of elbows, knees, low-line kicks and sweeps/throws. So why in that full exchange did I see 4 crap kicks, 3 vaguely pantomimed elbows and 1 clearly pantomimed elbow out of the nearly 666 strikes Po threw? At least his opponent, literally, gets the last laugh in that sequence.

    Part 7 - Blurry matrix speed - So fucking ridiculous I can't even talk about it.


    Critique Video #3 ("Master" Po Star Wars Kid):


    Same critique as single stick criticism with two additional criticisms. Most notably, ~:11 he thrusts, first with his head, then with the golf shaft. Additionally, note that he seems to be aiming to hit with the middle of his stick as opposed to the tip, best exemplified with that stupid grimacing-and-pause-for-effect strike at ~:14.

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    That's the basic summary of why I feel the need to slap this toolbag around.

    For those questioning my credentials in the FMA, I have 15+ years in the FMA, 7 of which have been with the Dog Brothers. I am a full guro under Manny Nitullama (Nitullama silat), a full Dog Brother (Poi Dog), an apprentice instructor in the DBMA under Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny. I have fought in 6 Gatherings of the Pack so far (I'm sitting this one out because I'm only at about 60% due to some health problems) and trained with/fought Mike "Dogzilla" Tibbits every Saturday for 1.5 years while back in Hawaii. I have trained with 4 of the clans of the Dog Brothers - Santa Fe clan under Arlan "Salty Dog" Sanford, Hawaii clan under Dogzilla (I was present for the formation of that clan), North Hollywood clan under Nick "Pappy Dog" Papadakis and Hermosa Beach clan under Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny. I was a member of the now defunct Full Contact Hawaii and fought/trained with them until the group disbanded. I also love to stroke my own ego, as evidenced by this little back patting trip.

    Anyway, hope this helps.

    Aloha, Poi
    Last edited by poidog; 11/29/2007 2:44am at . Reason: Apparently can't count.
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