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    Good Kata Thread

    In this thread people will talk about and discuss what they consider good kata. Preferably video should be posted displaying what they consider good kata.

    Apparently I am told that nearly all kata I can find on the net is bad kata, but I should trust that THEY have the real kata. I would very much like to see it.

    Intentional posting of bad kata, trolling, or discussion between Fantasy Warrior and Soju or Maverick is strictly forbidden! Take it back to the other kata thread where it belongs :qleft6:

    To start it off, I'll post a video of what I'd consider "good kata." Although it is unnecessarily formal -and mostly used for demonstration purposes for attaining rank- the techniques therein are sound and can be drilled and applied verbatim in training.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJfG3-FwMT8

    I would like to see examples of the elusive Karate, Kung Fu, and Korean MA katas that I hear much about if anyone has those available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    To start it off, I'll post a video of what I'd consider "good kata." Although it is unnecessarily formal -and mostly used for demonstration purposes for attaining rank- the techniques therein are sound and can be drilled and applied verbatim in training.
    That's nage no kata or forms of throwing, a traditional kata. I would not say it is "unnecessarily formal" as these katas are not only for grading or training, but for cultural/historical preservation.

    Quote Originally Posted by judoinfo.com
    The Nage no Kata was developed in 1884 and 1885 at the Kodokan. This kata consists of 5 sets of three throws, each performed on both the left and right sides. The two participants formally bow onto the mat and begin the kata with the tori, or thrower, on your right and the uke, or person being thrown, on your left. In each case, the uke attempts an attack on tori. There is a progression of attack styles here, demonstrating how tori must adjust to these differing attacks. Uke then changes his attacks based on the previous adjustments made by tori.
    The other important thing about this kata is that, besides using techniques that are practical, tori must perform the throws as real attacks, full force as in a real application while uke must break the fall (as he should to avoid injury.) That is, these are just not staged drills, but actual execution of throws. I'd be akin (though not the same to having someone throw a body shot full force at you while you do your best to roll with the punch.


    There is another kata I like to watch is gonose-no-kata (forms of counter attacks), a modern kata that's not part of the official curriculum. The narrator explains (in Spanish) the role that ceremony and formality has in these kata being performed in Argentina.

    Observer the execution of the kata at 1:40 in front of a bunch of young padawans and have fun :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAWuO3-4JdA
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    As far as kata goes, I'm a fan of Enshin and Ashihara kata. It's not perfect but they introduced to the concept of fighting kata vs conditioning kata.

    Ashihara
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB6o4m45J4E

    Enshin Kata
    http://www.google.com/videoplay\?doc...018247431046&q

    Enshin kata vs people
    http://www.google.com/videoplay\?doc...795000940108&q

    I really like the fact that they try to make the kata look more like real fighting not using chambered punches, low stances etc.
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    Are throws done on your training partner different than throws you would do on an attacker? I can see why you would not try to throw your partner on his head, so would you adjust somehow, or throw harder, on an attacker? (anyone?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    That's nage no kata or forms of throwing, a traditional kata. I would not say it is "unnecessarily formal" as these katas are not only for grading or training, but for cultural/historical preservation.
    In what way was that NOT unnecessarily formal? The very reason I say they are "formal" is because they are performed in such a way here for presentations sake. They could very well just stroll out there, slap hands and show some throws, but rather they walk out, stepping in unison, bow, and grip stepping together with the intention of executing a successful throw and break fall. But the techniques work under resistance as well as in that demonstration. And the manner they demonstrate is a good example of isolation drilling to attain proper form, structure and overall technique.

    Most Judo guys I train with see this demonstration as more of a performance than anything else, but a necessary tool used to ensure that students ranked by the Kodokan are knowledgeable of the text-book techniques required for rank in Judo.
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    AM having trouble finding a good vid of the sum chien, but its one of the only kata/forms Ive done that gives me a sweat when going for it properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by switchblade
    Are throws done on your training partner different than throws you would do on an attacker? I can see why you would not try to throw your partner on his head, so would you adjust somehow, or throw harder, on an attacker? (anyone?)

    Judo guys train most throws on regular mats, and for ones that intentionally slam your opponent in their head they use crash mats.
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