Bujinkan question

**dothackRAVE** · Posted On: 11/08/2007 2:52pm

Originally Posted by Fitz

You can find better examples then Mr. Prather, and frankly probably should.

Fine. Hatsumi himself has taught government forces worldwide.

Question though, what's wrong with Mr. Prather as an example? He helped develop CQC for Spec Ops and the Marines. These people are on the battlefield right now, using techniques he developed.

**Hanniballistic** · Posted On: 11/08/2007 2:58pm

The SEALS chose PFS (JKD) so does that mean JKD is even more badazz??

**Fitz** · Posted On: 11/08/2007 3:05pm

Originally Posted by dothackRAVE

Fine. Hatsumi himself has taught government forces worldwide.

Question though, what's wrong with Mr. Prather as an example? He helped develop CQC for Spec Ops and the Marines. These people are on the battlefield right now, using techniques he developed.

If I was going to go with people in the Bujinkan with Military training backgrounds Jack Hoban in the US and Moti Nativ in Israel would be more solid choices. Both are good at what they do, continue to be involved in teaching in military contexts, and have very little illusion about their activities, interests and capacities.

With regard to Mr. Prather, I've never met the man. I would suggest doing a bit of checking on him and his "Initiation" side interest however.

**Hanniballistic** · Posted On: 11/08/2007 3:06pm

The problem is there si not a single style that cannot at some stage find a representative that has not had some form of experience in teaching LEO/Military/Whatever

Within itself it means little other than they have doen a seminar or two

Military units are not reknowned for their hand to hand fighting largely becaise they have so many weapons to fight with it rarely degenrates to an all out scrap. Most military guys I have met and trained with are not that skillful they are just fit as hell and have a determined mindset....suprising how that will win most fights really

I have yet to see any military H2H system that is not just a quick grab bag of tricks for if the **** hits the fan. As an LEO I will 100% gurantee you that we spend more time training H2H and the system we use is abbreviated fighting

The modern army combatives owes more to BJJ than anything else - what does that tell you?

**rw4th** · Posted On: 11/08/2007 3:11pm

Jack Bower trains in Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu ... seriously I heard it from one of my buddies who knows somebody who had a few drinks with someone who works for CTU Los Angeles :eusa_shhh

**dothackRAVE** · Posted On: 11/08/2007 3:14pm

Originally Posted by Hanniballistic

The problem is there si not a single style that cannot at some stage find a representative that has not had some form of experience in teaching LEO/Military/Whatever

Within itself it means little other than they have doen a seminar or two

Military units are not reknowned for their hand to hand fighting largely becaise they have so many weapons to fight with it rarely degenrates to an all out scrap. Most military guys I have met and trained with are not that skillful they are just fit as hell and have a determined mindset....suprising how that will win most fights really

I have yet to see any military H2H system that is not just a quick grab bag of tricks for if the **** hits the fan. As an LEO I will 100% gurantee you that we spend more time training H2H and the system we use is abbreviated fighting

The modern army combatives owes more to BJJ than anything else - what does that tell you?

You're saying Spec Ops can't fight...? You're making a huge claim there.

As for "seminar or two", Prather didn't do seminars. He developed the system.

Originally Posted by Fitz

If I was going to go with people in the Bujinkan with Military training backgrounds Jack Hoban in the US and Moti Nativ in Israel would be more solid choices. Both are good at what they do, continue to be involved in teaching in military contexts, and have very little illusion about their activities, interests and capacities.

With regard to Mr. Prather, I've never met the man. I would suggest doing a bit of checking on him and his "Initiation" side interest however.

A lack of illusion about their activities, interests and capacities is exactly what Prather's dojos teach.

**Hanniballistic** · Posted On: 11/08/2007 3:18pm

Originally Posted by dothackRAVE

You're saying Spec Ops can't fight...? You're making a huge claim there.

Never said that in any way shape or form - read again before opening mouth

Originally Posted by dothackRAVE

As for "seminar or two", Prather didn't do seminars. He developed the system.

I was referring to Hatsumi in this respect.

As for the system, look again at what I originally said about those H2H combatives

**dothackRAVE** · Posted On: 11/08/2007 3:20pm

Originally Posted by Hanniballistic

Never said that in any way shape or form - read again before opening mouth

I was referring to Hatsumi in this respect.

As for the system, look again at what I originally said about those H2H combatives

I see. Well, Hatsumi's an old man. Can't really expect him to be flying around the world teaching spec ops officers how to fight.

Doesn't mean his students aren't a good representation of what he taught though.

Yes, I read your post about H2H. So what...?

**Hanniballistic** · Posted On: 11/08/2007 3:24pm

It means comment on specifics if you are commenting at all

Are you new or something?

**HAPKO3** · Posted On: 11/08/2007 3:34pm

Ninjas do not exist. Ninjas, as they are imagined by the "girls in the dojos who carry bos everywhere" never existed outside of a few bad movies.

Were there some gangs of bandits in Japan? Sure. Did they fight? Yes.

Pretending to teach the ninja way to fight, though, is about as retarded as teaching the great pirate martial art. It's all LARPing and really bad LARPing at that.