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  1. Nid is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    You can't just do weight lifting without speed training and expect to be a great fighter.
    If there's a point of contention is how the speed training is performed.

    Sprinters, for example, could kiss their performance (and knees) goodbye if they ran sprints while rucking a backpack of bricks on account of how badly it would compromise the very specific form so crucial to performance in that very specific task. Coming out of the blocks would be a little different...keeping balance down the straightaway would be a little different...leaning towards the line would be a little different. Problem is, a little different is neccesarily a LOT different when it comes to such skills. The same applies to punching with resistance via a rubber band...if our bodies are logical and cohesive in any way whatsoever. Not good.
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    Well, I didn't make up the terms. Take it up with the physicists.

    The cliché ambiance notwithstanding, is it in fact "force" which you think of when you say "power"? One isn't concerned with pumping a well here, I'd assume you'd be more concerned with how rapidly your fist can go from stand-still to maximum velocity. That's force.
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    QUOTE]I do believe that there is a scientific explanation behind all of the phenomena in the martial arts.[/QUOTE]

    That would be in the realm of physics. :) Welcome aboard. Mankind has been well aware of levers and fulcums before sprawls and knee-bars were even concieved. You know what I mean...
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    I bet you don't know anything about how a martial artist does speed training keeinharf, so WTF are you trying to say here?
    Trying to get a lively discussion going. Care to play along, or continue puffing your chest out?
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    The thread is about strength training guys.
    Not wither it builds speef or force or whatever.
    No SANE fighter trains WITHOUT Strength training, everyone know how indespensiable it is.
    And for the record, Strength is power.
    Power is work over time.
    The more wor that gets done over LESS amount of time shows MORE power.
    Force is a better gauge for striking.
    And the force you can produce is dependant on the speed and mass, the speed is dependant on have fast you can accelerate the fist towards the target, and THAT is dependant on how quickly AND strongly your muscles are called into action.
    Whatever the **** all that means.
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    The point is that in order to hit harder than you do now, you must train to be faster & stronger (within proper technique).
    -Power = speed & strength - acceleration is inherent so you dont need to worry about acceleration unless you dont do speed training.
    What does harder mean? We have Force (again), which translates into a mass (your fist) rapidly decelerating against some other guy. The more rapidly the better. The deceleration (negative accelration) is in proportion to the velocity. Now, there isn't a whole lotta room for a fist to travel between you and he, which means in order to get up to maximum velocity, it'd behoove it to do so in the minimum amount of time. That's acceleration.

    The other half of this is the mass of your fist (and that which it's anchored too).

    You're right about one thing...I know nothing about fighting. But the physical mechanics are not anymore esoteric than someone on a track...or field.
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    And for the record, Strength is power. Power is work over time.
    To set the record straight, strength is force production. Power is work over time, but mechanical work, strictly speaking...a whole different ball of wax than metabolic work.

    If one is absoloutly determined to use power, that'd be a lot closer to describing endurance. Repeated sub-maximal force production.
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    strength is a very important part of the equation that allows you to accelerate your fist from nothing to 30-40-50 mph,
    Muscular strength is need to overcome the inertia of the body and to project it in the direction that the strike must follow to reach the target.
    Correct ST helps you strike faster, hince harder, hince with more force.
    That is why sprinters strength train also.
    Case in point:
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    10/24/2003 2:31pm

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    Huh? Did I ever claim otherwise?

    I was simply defining some terms you were grossly misusing.

    Ronin just summed up what I was getting at.
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    Now that we are ALL in agreement:
    Doesn't Ben Johnson look like the perfect athlete ??
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